NASCAR Changes Qualifying Format
posted by Summer Bedgood
Tuesday March 11, 2014
Following safety concerns regarding NASCAR’s new qualifying format, the sanctioning body is introducing some changes in preparation for this weekend’s race at Bristol Motor Speedway. According to the Associated Press, NASCAR is banning teams from cool-down laps after their qualifying attempts, but will instead be allowed to hook up cool-down units to the engine through hood flaps.
Late Tuesday afternoon, a release from NASCAR fully detailed the changes. Teams will be allowed a single cool down unit to be connected through the right or left side hood flap, however the hood must remain closed. Additionally, two crew members will be allowed over the wall while cooling down.
“The qualifying is new to all of us and as we have said over the past several weeks, we are looking at it from all aspects,” said Robin Pemberton, vice president of competition and racing development. “Following discussions, both internally and with others in the garage area, we moved quickly to make a few revisions that will be effective starting with our two national series events at Bristol Motor Speedway this weekend. We believe this will only enhance and improve what has demonstrated to be an exciting form of qualifying for our fans, competitors and others involved with the sport. Moving forward we will continue to look at it and address anything else that we may need to as the season unfolds.”
The move comes after three weeks of NASCAR’s new knockout qualifying system, where multiple cars are allowed to make qualifying attempts at the same time instead of the traditional one-car-at-a-time procedure. Drivers and teams had complained that the new rules didn’t allow them to cool their engines down on pit road, and the cool-down laps caused a dangerous situation with slower cars staying on the track at the same time that other cars were running by them at much higher speeds.
The rule will begin this weekend in Bristol, a track that has a much narrower racing surface than Daytona, Phoenix, and Las Vegas.
Kurt Busch to Attempt The Indianapolis-Charlotte Double
posted by Phil Allaway
Tuesday March 4, 2014
Andretti Autosport announced this morning that Kurt Busch, driver of the No. 41 Haas Automation Chevrolet in the Sprint Cup Series, will attempt the Indianapolis 500 in a fifth entry for the IndyCar Series team. Once the Indianapolis 500 is completed, Busch will fly from Indianapolis to Charlotte, jump in his No. 41 Chevrolet and compete in the Coca-Cola 600 at Charlotte Motor Speedway.
Busch considers the opportunity to do the double as an old-school throwback moment.
“This is really to challenge myself within motorsports,” Busch said in Andretti Autosport’s press release. “Perhaps I am a bit of an old-school racer; a throwback, I guess. I enjoyed the era of drivers racing different cars and testing themselves in other series. It is tough to do now for a variety of factors, but when the opportunity is there, I want to do it. While NASCAR is my home, I have been fortunate to compete in Pro Stock on the NHRA circuit a number of years ago and test a V8 Supercar. This opportunity was a talk with Michael [Andretti] over dinner one night, a “What if,” and now it’s becoming a reality for me to drive in the Indy 500 with Andretti Autosport. It’s literally a dream come true. To go to the famous Brickyard with the iconic Andretti name, it doesn’t get much cooler or better than that.”
Busch will be doing the Indianapolis-Charlotte double as a Memorial Day mission to men and women serving in the U.S. Military via the Armed Forces Foundation. Fans can contribute to the cause by texting AFF to 50555 to donate $10.
Busch, who has never raced an IndyCar, passed Rookie Orientation at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway last year during a test session. At the time, Busch was more or less testing the Dallara DW12 for fun.
Busch will be the fourth driver to attempt the Indianapolis-Charlotte double. John Andretti was the first driver to attempt it in 1994. After finishing four laps down in tenth in Indianapolis, Andretti crashed and had engine problems in the 600. Robby Gordon has attempted the double five times, most recently in 2004. However, Gordon failed to make it to Charlotte on time and did not start the 600 in 2000 (P.J. Jones started Gordon’s No. 13 Ford in that instance). Finally, Tony Stewart has attempted the double twice (most recently in 2001) and is the only driver to ever complete all 1100 miles. Neither of the three drivers has won either leg of the double. The best finishes are Stewart and Gordon’s sixth-place finishes at the Indianapolis 500 (although Gordon’s came in 2000, the year he didn’t make it to Charlotte in time to start the Coca-Cola 600), and Stewart’s fourth-place finish in the 2001 Coca-Cola 600.
Danica Patrick, Justin Allgaier Talk About Phoenix Incident
posted by Frontstretch Staff
Tuesday March 4, 2014
A disappointing start to the year for Danica Patrick won’t include continued conflict. Patrick met with rookie Justin Allgaier Sunday, shortly after the Phoenix Cup race after a wreck ruined both drivers’ days. Patrick, who was critical of the No. 51 car on the radio, claiming Allgaier was “driving all over the track” appeared receptive to a conversation that quickly settled differences over what will be a long season.
“She was just upset because she got involved in the crash that we had,’’ said Allgaier to the Motor Racing Network. “She says she’s been through this and that she felt like I needed to settle down at that point. I explained my position on why everything happened. I think she understood where I was coming from. It doesn’t fix either one of our racecars. It doesn’t fix either one of our days. Unfortunately, we were both having pretty decent days.’’
Allgaier wound up 30th due to the incident while Patrick was 36th. The incident, which was caused by Allgaier’s spin also involved the No. 32 team and Travis Kvapil, which wound up 38th after sustaining heavy damage.
Camping World Close to Extending Title Sponsorship of NCWTS
posted by Frontstretch Staff
Tuesday March 4, 2014
Marcus Lemonis, CEO of Camping World, Grand Marshal of Sunday’s Sprint Cup race at Phoenix International Raceway, and star of CNBC’s “The Profit,” made the announcement over the weekend that the retailer is very close to announcing a deal that would continue its title sponsorship of NASCAR’s Truck Series. The original agreement with NASCAR is scheduled to conclude after the 2015 season.
According to the sanctioning body, no formal contract has been signed, but “the agreement between the two parties has proven to be a beneficial one.”
“In about a month, we’ll be announcing a significant extension to that contract. It’s been great for us,” said Camping World’s Lemonis in a statement. “The NASCAR relationship has worked well for Camping World. When we started, we had 35 stores. Now, we’re up to 120 stores. As we travel the country and we meet new customers in stores, they always are very appreciative of our relationship with NASCAR. It’s been good.”
Gaining a long-term commitment from Camping World to sponsor the Truck Series would be a relief for NASCAR, which is set to lose Nationwide Insurance as title sponsor for the NASCAR Nationwide Series at the end of the 2014 season. The sponsorship of the Cup Series by Sprint runs through 2016.
The NCWTS is back in action on March 29th at 2:30 PM (ET) when the trucks visit Martinsville Speedway in the Kroger 250, which can be seen on Fox Sports 1. Ratings for the season opener were up 11 percent.
Harvick Takes Win At Phoenix In Second Race With New Team
posted by Justin Tucker
Monday March 3, 2014
Phoenix International Raceway has become Kevin Harvick’s home away from home. Sunday Afternoon was no exception as Harvick charged to the front early and would dominate for much of the day, leading 224 of the scheduled 312 laps to record his record fifth win on the one mile oval and his third win in the last four races at Phoenix.
Harvick, coming off of a disappointing Speedweeks which was capped by a last lap crash in the Daytona 500 in his debut with Stewart-Haas Racing, set the tone on Saturday by winning both practices while having the best 5 and 10-lap averages in the first practice of the day on Saturday. On Sunday, Harvick and his No. 4 Jimmy John’s Chevrolet was nothing short of flawless as he was able to hold Dale Earnhardt, Jr. by .489 seconds after a late race restart to claim his 24th career Sprint Cup Series victory.
“Man, this is awesome,” Harvick said after his dominant victory on Sunday. “Man, this just solidifies so many things and so many decisions. It’s been so much work with all the time and effort that these guys (the crew) have put in—but what a race car.”
Stewart Haas Racing co-owner Gene Haas shared in Harvick’s excitement after the race.
“It took long enough,” Haas joked. “This is phenomenal. I think there was a lot of skepticism last year about what myself and Tony (Stewart) what we were up to, was there a lot of madness to this. Quite frankly, it’s a great team, there’s a lot of synergy at the shop, people working together. I don’t know what we did, but I think we put together a great organization.”
Daytona 500 winner Dale Earnhardt, Jr. continued his hot start to the 2014 season. Earnhardt Jr. would finish second on Sunday, marking his seventh consecutive top 10 finish since the end of the 2013 season. Earnhardt Jr. was pleased with the effort after a coast-to-coast whirlwind week after winning his second Daytona 500 and also gave great praise to the efforts of Harvick and the No. 4 team.
“I’ve got to congratulate Kevin. Those guys were two-tenths faster than everyone all weekend in practice. They were just phenomenal,” Earnhardt said. “To be able to run with them all day was a big confidence builder for us.”
Joining Harvick and Earnhardt in the top 5 of The Profit on CNBC 500K were Brad Keselowski with his second consecutive top 3 run of 2014 in third. Keselowski’s Team Penske teammate Joey Logano would finish fourth, and Jeff Gordon would come home fifth in his No. 24 Pepsi Max Chevrolet.
Jimmie Johnson finished in sixth, followed by Ryan Newman with a nice rebound after Daytona in seventh. Carl Edwards would carry the banner for Roush Fenway Racing by finishing eighth, Kyle Busch was ninth, and Jamie McMurray would finish tenth.
A look at the Profit on CNBC 500K by the numbers. There were 14 lead changes among eight different drivers, there were eight cautions for 39 laps which slowed the race pace to 109.229 MPH.
Next Sunday, the Sprint Cup Series heads to Sin City and the Las Vegas Motor
Starting Lineup: The Profit On CNBC 500K
posted by Thomas Bowles
Saturday March 1, 2014
Drivers in RED (i) are those ineligible to collect Sprint Cup points
Daytona 500 TV Ratings Down
posted by Frontstretch Staff
Wednesday February 26, 2014
What was the longest weather delay in Daytona 500 history turned out to bring NASCAR lower ratings and TV viewership Sunday night than expected. According to a report Monday from FOX Sports, the 56th running of the Daytona 500 airing at 8 PM (ET) posted a 5.6/10 national household rating/share which averaged 9.3 million viewers. That’s down 44 percent from last year’s 9.9, easily making it the least-watched Daytona 500 of all-time.
Due to the six-hour, twenty-two minute rain delay in Daytona, the race was up against the primetime coverage of the Winter Olympics Closing Ceremony from Sochi, Russia on NBC (15.25 million viewers). FOX also reported that 69% of the pre-rain delay viewers of the race, which began at 1 PM (ET) kept tuning in.
In comparison, the 2013 Daytona 500 on FOX was the most-watched race in five years, posting a 9.9/22 rating/share, commanding 16.7 million viewers. The Daytona 500 in 2012, the first to ever be run on a Monday and in the primetime slot did a 7.7/13 overnight rating/share which resulted in 13.67 million households viewing the race according to Nielsen TV ratings data.
Earnhardt, Jr. Claims Second Daytona 500 Victory
posted by Justin Tucker
Wednesday February 26, 2014
Ten years is a long time. For Dale Earnhardt, Jr., it felt like an eternity. NASCAR’s Most Popular Driver endured many near misses and close calls at the Daytona 500 since his only win in the Great American Race in 2004. Earnhardt had finished second in two of his last three Daytona 500s coming into Sunday’s race. He was also riding the tail of a 55-race winless streak, dating back to Michigan in 2012.
However nothing would stop Dale Jr. on Sunday, not even a 6 hour and 22 minute rain delay from capturing his second Daytona 500 win. Earnhardt Jr. led a race-high 54 laps on the evening and used some timely drafting help from teammates Jimmie Johnson and, on the final restart, Jeff Gordon to separate from the pack and secure the victory.
“Winning this race is the greatest feeling that you could feel in this sport besides accepting the trophy for the championship,” said a jubilant Earnhardt after pulling into Victory Lane. “We could fight off battle after battle. We got a little help at the end there from Jeff to get away on the restart. This is amazing. I can’t believe this is happening. I never take this for granted, man because it doesn’t happen twice, let alone once.”
Aside from the race itself the big story of the race was the 6 hour and 22 minute red flag, which threatened to move the race to Monday evening (had the race been postponed, FOX Sports’ Chris Myers had tweeted that the race would resume at 5:00pm EST). However, Mother Nature would cooperate and would allow the race to be run under different conditions from which they practiced this week. Once the race resumed, the intensity picked up from the changing track conditions. This allowed the pack to race side-by-side and at times 3-wide up to seven rows deep.
Joining Earnhardt Jr. in the top 5 for the 2014 Daytona 500 were: Denny Hamlin who closed out a spectacular Speedweeks in second, Brad Keselowski in third, Jeff Gordon in fourth, and Jimmie Johnson who overcome two wrecks leading up to the 500 in fifth.
Rounding out the top 10 in the Daytona 500 were Matt Kenseth in sixth, Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. in seventh and Greg Biffle would bring his No. 16 Ford home in eighth. Austin Dillon would come home ninth in his first Cup Series race in the iconic No. 3 for Richard Childress Racing, while Casey Mears would round out the top 10.
A couple of major contenders for the Daytona 500 win would see their hopes dashed early on as Martin Truex, Jr. would blow up just 30 laps into the race, relegating him to a 43rd-place finish in his debut for Furniture Row Racing. Crew chief Todd Berrier was already in Nashville for a test session before the race was even over. Kyle Busch, meanwhile would have a pit road violation just before halfway and would spend much of the race battling back from that mistake. Busch would eventually finish 19th after leading 19 laps.
Danica Patrick would also be bit by bad luck as she was caught up in a multi-car wreck on lap 145. Patrick would lead her second consecutive Daytona 500, but wouldn’t have the finish to show for it finishing 40th. Tony Stewart would encounter a frustrating evening as well, with a fuel pickup problem derailing his quest for his first Daytona 500 win. Stewart would finish 35th.
A look at the Daytona 500 by the numbers. There were 42 lead changes among 18 drivers, while seven cautions for 39 laps would slow the race pace to 145.290 MPH.
Next week, the Sprint Cup Series heads to the “diamond in the desert,” Phoenix International Raceway for The Profit on CNBC 500K. The Green flag is scheduled for 3:15pm EST.
Nationwide Series Post-Race Quotes: Drive4COPD 300
posted by Thomas Bowles
Tuesday February 25, 2014
Frontstretch Interviews – Courtesy Mike Neff
ELLIOTT SADLER – FINISHED 4th
Thoughts on the race?
It’s definitely a lot different racing than what we’re used to.
Comfortable with it?
Yeah, it’s just different. You’re worried about what you’re doing, but you’re also worried about what everyone else is doing and they’re not doing more than you’re doing. Physically pushing a guy is way better than just riding so you just gotta time it right and push it to the edge.
Happy to start the year with a top 5?
Yeah. Hell, that was the worst we ran all day, I think. I have no idea how they put the 3 car in front of us on that last restart. I hadn’t seen the 3 car hardly all day. When they put us from fifth to sixth, on the outside line, it just really boxed us in. I would have really restarted behind my teammate and given him a good push to the front. Anyways, it is what it is; we’ll take it and move on.
Looked like you were up front all day.
The guys did a good job. We had a fast race car. Great pit stops, just really proud of these guys. The car’s in one piece and we can take it to Talladega now. Great job by my guys. A lot of effort came into coming down here to Daytona and giving ourselves a shot to win. We had that chance to be up front and make some things happen. Fifth is not what we want, but we’ll take it and move on.
Bumping vs Pushing?
It’s way harder. You don’t want to lay on the guy in front of you, so it’s tough racing. A lot different than what we’re used to, ‘cause you gotta go. You gotta drag the brake too ‘cause you don’t want to hit the guys and you don’t want to stay on him. It’s a lot harder mentally than what we’ve done in the past.
Car was strong all day. Pushing vs. Bumping, is that harder to do than just getting on somebody and pushing them?
Yeah, it is a little bit. When you bump ‘em, you jar ‘em, it kinda jacks ‘em a little bit. It’s a little more abrupt, obviously. I thought it was OK there at the end. It was certainly fun and hopefully entertaining. But a little bit of a struggle in the early part of the race and the midpart of the race to see a good race. And that’s unfortunate for the fans. You can’t do that the whole race, you can’t tear up your stuff, knock your grill in, overheat your motor, all that stuff so there’s no sense in doing all that until you get down to the last lap. The 7 and the 6, they did a good job. Man, the 7 really held the 22 and I tight on the bottom. I was rubbing his door and hitting the apron at the same time, no room whatsoever. So it was good; wish we were the ones who could have won but a lot better now than what we were last year.
Going home in one piece makes it a lot better, right?
Yeah. My back feels good. My foot feels good. Past years here, I’ve been going home with pain so I’m alright.
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2014 Truck Series Post-Race Quotes: Daytona (Exclusives)
posted by Thomas Bowles
Saturday February 22, 2014
When you’re on the outside like that, how frustrating is it?
It’s so hard. Timothy Peters has won here. Kyle Busch has won everywhere. Ron Hornaday has been running Trucks forever, probably before I was even born. I was surrounded by veterans there, and like I told them I don’t have a rookie stripe but I’m a rookie. This is only my fourth Truck race ever, my fourth superspeedway race, and man, I figured out when the 17 got up in front of me, I pushed him. And as soon as I pushed him, he took off. And I went with him. And I just kept doing it, and before I knew it, he was leading. And I saw Ron in my mirror, backed up to him, and if it wasn’t for him, I don’t know what would have happened. I gotta thank him big time for that. That was a true teammate move right there. I really appreciate that. He just bounced off me and we got to the front. I tried my hardest to sidedraft Kyle. I was probably touching his door.
Top 5 in the No. 30 truck. This deal come together at the last minute, but you had a heck of a truck. Tell us about your night.
Yeah, I’ve got to thank Turner Scott Motorsports. The guys worked so hard on this Rheem Comfort Products Chevrolet. Exciting! Just got hung up on the outside and had to wait for my teammate there to catch up. And then he got to the bottom, so… I got the old 32 and started pushing ol’ Ryan to the front. So, it’s not bad. We’ll take it. You just don’t want to step over that boundary. You don’t know how far to push and shove. We bumped about six times down the straightaway without latching onto them. Hopefully, that was OK and we came home with a top 5.
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NASCAR might as well be racing Sherman tanks.
To hear the teams, media, and fans lately, that doesn’t seem to be far from the pervading sentiment. While the new car does need to see some changes, there are also some perceptions that are simply not supported by the data we have. Some of the perceptions are also true. The bottom line is, the CoT is a mixed bag-but don’t believe everything you hear.
Myth: There’s no passing
NASCAR’s scoring loop data, which records the cars’ positions at many places on the track, clearly shows that passing is not at the premium that many suggest. While traditional data only records at the start-finish line, the loops provide a more complete picture—for example, if Car A passes Car B in Turn 1, but gets passed back on the backstretch, the loop data records what actually happened on track—two separate passes for position. Traditional data would show no pass at all since Car B was in front of Car A at the start-finish line both times by.
What this data shows over the last few weeks might surprise people. Last year, NASCAR raced the old car on three of the last four tracks they have run on—Lowe’s Motor Speedway, Pocono Raceway, and Michigan International Speedway. The data from the Coca-Cola 600 showed 2850 green flag passes during the race. This does include passes made during green flag pit stops and passes made by lapped cars, but last year’s data did, too, so that’s a non-issue. Carl Edwards alone passed 102 cars during the race. Both numbers were up over the 2007 Coca-Cola 600, when, driving the old car, drivers totaled 1986 total passes and Jimmie Johnson had the most with 96.
Pocono and Michigan showed the same trend-more, not fewer passes, under green than with the old car one year ago. Pocono featured 3452 passes, while the first race in 2007 produced 2406. Michigan’s numbers were 3204 to 2007’s 2847. In addition, there were eight more green flag passes for the lead at Pocono two weeks ago than there were last August, and nearly three times as many cars finished on the lead lap at Michigan than did a year ago.
So while many complain about the passing with the new car, the complaints are unwarranted—there has been more, not less, passing. Perhaps the real complaint here lies with the television broadcasts for not showing more of the real race action.
Myth: The CoT loks nothing like a “stock car.”
Myth: The new car is hotter for the drivers and there is more danger of carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning.
NASCAR is concerned about the claims of carbon monoxide. They conducted tests of CO levels in many cars and drivers at Michigan. I haven’t seen any results, or if they did similar tests with the old car. If the results are high, especially if they’re higher than they were in the old car, this needs to be the first issue addressed. NASCAR’s data collection was a great first step, and this is the one area where I do have faith in NASCAR (something I don’t have very often!) to make changes as soon as they know what changes to make.
Myth: The new car gives Toyota an advantage
While the Joe Gibbs Racing engine department has certainly figured out how to use that horsepower advantage to their own advantage, you don’t exactly see Dave Blaney or Michael Waltrip showing up the other manufacturers. Bottom line—there is a small advantage for the teams that can find it—but that’s no different than it’s always been. The haves at Ford, Chevy and Dodge are beating the have-nots at Toyota, and are pretty darn equal to the haves in the Toyota camp, too. It’s not so much about any perceived advantage as it is about teams figuring this beast out and making their own advantage.
Myth: The new car is safer
Myth: Teams can’t make any adjustments.
To be fair, the teams also don’t have nearly the data to fall back on to make those adjustments, either, even in the areas that they can. They haven’t even raced on all the tracks. That’s tough, especially when they had hundreds of races worth of data on the old car. That part will come, and teams will learn how to fix things. If NASCAR will meet them partway and find areas to let them work, there is an opportunity for teams to shine as they did before. It just isn’t happening right now, and I miss it.
Myth: The car isn’t any good on the tire compounds Goodyear is bringing.
Is the new car perfect? Far from it. However, the perception of it has gotten out of proportion to the realities of racing a brand-new machine. When the last car came on the scene, people hated that one, too, every bit as much as they hate the latest incarnation. Teams complained and clamored for changes on that car right up to Homestead last year. When NASCAR changed to small block engines, people complained. When the winged Dodges and Plymouths came on the scene, people complained. They complained when bias-ply tires gave way to radials. And when NASCAR switched to unleaded fuel. Those things all evolved and contributed to the series, once teams had time to learn them correctly. There is no reason-yet-to believe that this one can’t come around-with a little concession on everyone’s part.
Those Sherman tanks? They’d be hell on the straightaways, but making the corners would be a mess.
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Nice article, Amy.
Most of the time I feel like one of the few voices of reason on this topic. (I’m sure a great many people would disagree)
Well Amy how did the cool aid taste? and what races have you been watching???
Myth: NA$CAR used to be fun/exciting to watch.
Myth: NA$CAR used to be afordable for the average Joe
Myth: NA$CAR used to pack the house
Myth: NA$CAR cares about it’s fan base
Myth: NA$CAR will be around forever
I thought that was a great article, Amy. It’s nice to see someone take an objective approach to the new car and actually gather some real data to support the discussion.
Personally, I’ve had a hard time trying to blame all of NASCAR’s problems on the new car. The car is what it is. The good teams and drivers will adjust.
With that said, I believe the onus is on the teams to put some more effort into keeping their drivers comfortable – anything they can do to keep their drivers alert through the entire race is going to translate to better finishes. There are way too many drivers that seem to run fine for a good part of the race, but can’t seem to close the deal. I think a lot of that could be related to driver fatigue, especially if the new cars are harder to drive. Having a couple of systems in place to keep the driver cool will probably more than make up for the weight of the devices in terms of finishing well.
NASCAR did not do their homework with this car plain and simple. Should some of the blame be shared by Goodyear? Probably so.
This isn’t 1981 when NASCAR went to the smaller cars and it took some figuring out. This is 2008. You have millions of people watching on TV every week and hundreds of thousands watching in person.
I can’t see where this car is any more competitive than the old car other than at Road Courses. Those 2 races last year were the most fun races to watch last year as sad as that is.
This new car does have potential, but NASCAR did not do a good job testing it. Its BS that they are basically testing this thing during race weekends. I mean come on, the damn template wasn’t even realeased to teams last year until what the beginning of February? NASCAR Should have had the template done 2 years before that and conducting on track test races with the car with test drivers to figure out what it needs and how it reacts during race conditions. You need maybe 10 or 15 cars for this.
Yes, it costs NASCAR money, but wtf was my $500 for at Daytona? NASCAR makes handfuls of money over handfuls of money. The need to invest in the product too as opposed to making teams do all of the spending.
What a joke NASCAR has become with some things for certain.
I think the France that is running the show right now is a joke.
Great rebuttal Mark! My feelings exactly!!
“Myth: There’s no passing. Reality: […]It may not be for the lead […]”
While I agree with most of this article, it does seem problematic that the car in front seems to have a pronounced advantage, particularly at the 1.5-2 milers. I feel like whoever grabs the lead on a restart can then almost always drive away from the field, and the 2nd place car can’t even get close.
Amy, can you determine if the loop data support this perception (i.e. fewer lead changes, larger lead intervals)?
How can ANYONE, and I mean ANYONE, print the NA$CAR “propaganda” on the number of “passes” and believe it is a meaningful number?
WOW!! At Michigan there were 3204 “passes”!! WOW!! How exciting! That must have been a hell of a race to have over 3,000 passes!!
SIMPLY AMAZING! BEST RACING IN THE WORLD!
NOT! How stupid!
Example: yellow flag situation, all cars except two (2) pit! those two cars that stayed out pass everyone in the pits, now we have a total of 82 PASSES!!!
ONE LAP, UNDER YELLOW!
A step further, three (3) cars stay out on the yellow, pass the 40 that are pitting, and we now have an AMAZING 120 “PASSES”, NA$CAR STYLE!
How can anyone that calls themselves “intelligent” even remotely consider this as viable information, and repeat these meaningless numbers?
The CoT sucks! And the ONLY reason NA$CAR publishes these phony and misleading numbers is to try and confuse the real issues regarding the CoT!
And writers like yourself jump on Brian’s bandwagon!
MYTH: All writers know what they are talking about!
REALITY: read above article!
So much for that “myth”!!
Guess we cleared up that “myth” once and for all.
Forgot to read the entire article Douglas? Big words for a tiny brain, yes, I know. That’s OK buddy, I’ll explain for you. See, the writer was only using green flag data for the pass amounts. The clue to this was when she wrote “green flag passes” in her article. Reading for context is fun!
Also, NASCAR has been publishing these “phony” loop numbers for a couple of years now.
Look, if you hate NASCAR so much, go watch Cartoon Network to fill your lonely Sunday afternoons. Invite a friend to explain it to you if need be.
MMMMM, lets see Raul?
Green flag/yellow flag, who cares? the situation and the numbers stay the same under the pitting conditions! (OK, I misstated the yellow flag scene), sorry!
Why would a writer, any writer, repeat this phony NA$CAR propaganda?
One lap at MIS, two cars, six (6) scoring loops, each car side by side, a possible six (6) “passes”, NA$CAR style! ONE LAP, TWO CARS!
WOW! how exciting!
And why do I think that the current “CARTOON NETWORK” now originates on International Speedway Blvd. in Daytona Beach FL.?
Seriously, you can’t really believe that 3,000+ passes at MIS is meaningful?
Well, at least I hope not!
And, lets not forget, NASCAR cannot properly “score” their own races so any data they may provide is suspect! Just ask Jeff Burton! Hell, NA$CAR with all it’s glorious “passing” statistics, doesn’t even know when a car actually passes another car on the race track during the green flag runs!
OK, so let me get this straight.
Douglas thinks the CoT is bad because racing isn’t exciting. But then, he talks about two cars battling enough to pass each other six times in a lap to comprise the loop data-which is correct-that would indeded equal six passes. BUT-two cars battling close enough to pass each other SIX TIMES in one lap ISN’T EXCITING? Isn’t that kind of close battle just what you were complaining the new car can’t do?!
I guess you must really want to have your cake and eat it too. The loop data doesn’t lie-more cars passed each other under green at LMS, Pocono, and Michigan than a year ago with the old car. If that isn’t “racing” then I’m sorry-watch last year’s races in ESPN classic and wax poetic over the “good old days.”
I knew you would pick up on my analogy of two cars side by side, it simply is how you view it!
Two cars side by side that cannot get out of each others way, and the ‘passes” as counted by NA$CAR is in the inch or so measurements, and we want to call that “racing”?
Watch a replay of the MIS race! PLEASE!
Tell me you watched over 3,000 passes that meant anything!
My quarrel, so-to-speak, is that people repeat after NA$CAR!
WOW!! 3204 “passes” at MIS!
And Carl Edwards “passed” 102 cars?
To me that only means he had problems causing him to pit often (what, maybe trying to “adjust” his CoT so it would turn?) and then “passed” the same slow cars over and over again!
Oh! And lest we forget, the qualifying speeds were some 9MPH SLOWER than the old car at MIS!!
Right on NA$CAR!
(I know qualifying was rained out, but the few that did get a time were much slower than previous years!)
And when I think “passing”! I think of standing on your feet/adrenalin/heart pounding passing! Not the way NA$CAR counts “passing”!
Douglas, you at it again? :)
If you want an objective analysis (I do not actually believe this to be the case…but I’ll give ya the benefit of the doubt) you don’t get to pick and choose the numbers that you consider relevant, and then change them situationally to fit the argument you’re currently supporting. That’s spin. (Or propaganda, which is generally a term reserved for a government controlling the presentation of information to it’s population, and I’m not entirely certain that’s relevant here.)
The way that Nascar calculates green flag passes is not relevant to the discussion. They calculated it the same way 2 years ago, and last year, with the old, ugly, more aero-dependent car.
So, Amy has, as have others, compared Apples-to-Apples. Michigan in the old car had less passing total than Michigan this year with the new car. That relationship (new car = more overall passing) has been true (not subjective…observable and objective) at the vast majority (if not all) the tracks that they have loop data for both cars on.
Nascar also tracks “quality passes” which I believe are defined as passes under green for position inside the top 15 positions. I suspect that the new car would win the statistical comparison in those as well, but you’d have to look at the data.
I’m too lazy to do so, but perhaps Amy can be persuaded to use “Quality passes” when she does a part 2 to this :).
The secondary argument presented as an addendum…I honestly don’t think you believe that faster cars = better racing…do you? I mean, F1 has basically no “racing” at all. Trucks have (in my opinion, totally subjective) the best racing (meaning, most compelling/edge of your seat) of all the touring series.
(douglas, you really do have the most fun posts to respond to…they’re just so…crazed.)
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