#36 Bill Davis Racing Shuttin Down.

[flamehothead]

I found this on Jayski.com.
Looks like J.Mayfield better get his act together but that may not matter anyway. IMO Bill Davis is doing NOTHING but losing money with that team. They were NOT supposed to race at Bristol if they had another DNQ at Atlanta but they are on the Entry List. I thought it could happen but just not this soon.



#36 BDR team shutting down? BUT.... was told about a report on a local racing radio show, Gary Danko's Speedway Line Report, a 90 minute show [WATR 1320AM out of Waterbury CT] where Jeff "The Jet" Zarella of the #15 DEI team said that he is hearing that the #36 360 OTC Toyota team of Bill David Racing, that Jeremy Mayfield drives for, could shut down soon, and said he had heard that if the #36 didn't make last weeks race at Atlanta, the team would not run at Bristol. However, the team and Mayfield are listed on the Bristol Nextel Cup race entry list and have checked with a few sources and been told the team and Mayfield will attempt Bristol.(source: Gary Danko's Speedway Line Report)
AND in the Bristol pre-race report from Billdavisracing.com...quotes Jeremy Mayfield on Bristol Motor Speedway…“Maybe this whole Car of Tomorrow thing is exactly what this team needs right now. Something new, something different. We feel like we’re working so hard day in and day out, and we haven’t got anything to show for it. It’s tough. It’s tough to stay positive and not drive yourself crazy trying to figure out what you’re doing wrong. But I don’t think there’s anything major that is wrong right now. It’s just been a bunch of little stuff, and sometimes we beat ourselves and sometimes we just plain get beat. There’s no room for error in Nextel Cup racing anymore. Each and every team that shows up has a legitimate shot at making the race. The days of field fillers are over, and we need to step up our program to get where we need to be so that we’re one of the teams that makes the field every Friday. It’s just that simple; we won’t give up until we get there. We show up every weekend thinking we’ll race on Sunday, and that’s not going to change. This is a good bunch of guys, and we’ll get there because no one is going to let anyone give up.”(

[KurtBuschFan]

It's always sad to see a race team close down.  But at the same time you have to keep in mind the costs.  If you're driving yourself into the ground spending money and not making it, then it's not necessarily worth it.

[HUDSON HORNET]

Looks like Toyota needs to come up with more yen to keep the Bill Davis doors open. I'm sure Toyota isn't too pleased with the results so far. When D.J. expends all of his provisionals, who will be driving a Toyota in the races? Will Toyota tuck tail and run away? I doubt they expected things to turn out this way. And Mikey's team doesn't seem to have any answers.

Toyota can't even seem to get a foothold.
Back to the drawing board?

Talk about a total whuppin'!

Will NASCAR step in and save the day?
Another rules change?

Will The Brian lose his Lexus?

[falcon325]

I don't think we'll see 55 teams trying to make each race by the end of the year.

Sadly, a lot of these people were lured away from solid race teams by the big bucks some of these new teams were throwing around (or was it big yen?).  

Before the seasons out, some folks are gonna have them old, "Steadily Depressin', Low-down Mind-messin' Working At the Carwash Blues."  

[KurtBuschFan]

Well DJ is still in the Top 35 I believe....so he'll be guaranteed to start for a while unless he has a bad race and drops out of the Top 35.  Then he'll be in trouble.

[smyler]

I wonder how often Jeremy wishes he had kept his mouth shut when he was still with Ray.

[Bubba]

I wonder how often Jeremy wishes he had kept his mouth shut when he was still with Ray.

When he was with Ray? How about when he was with Penske and actually competitive week in and week out? Or have we forgotten about that? Germy has managed to hose up more good rides than most drivers ever get a chance at.

[Bubba]

Looks like Toyota needs to come up with more yen to keep the Bill Davis doors open. I'm sure Toyota isn't too pleased with the results so far. When D.J. expends all of his provisionals, who will be driving a Toyota in the races? Will Toyota tuck tail and run away? I doubt they expected things to turn out this way. And Mikey's team doesn't seem to have any answers.

Toyota can't even seem to get a foothold.
Back to the drawing board?

Talk about a total whuppin'!

Will NASCAR step in and save the day?
Another rules change?

Will The Brian lose his Lexus?

Funny how you seem to hate the Japaneese so much (I reckon it's a racist thing, just can't stand them little yeller fellers) yet have no problem with them German Nazi Dodges. Is it because them German nazi's all have white skin and round eyes and aren't yeller slant eyed fellers?

Bill Davis made HIS bed when he sold propriotory  information to Toyota when he was with them Nazi Dodges to Toyota for the trucks. So Toyota screwed him. So what. My dearly departed mother (she's deaded than a hammer) taught me, if you will screw WITH me, you will screw me. Davis Screwed Dodge for Toyota, and Toyota screwed Bill Davis. Simple lesson, a traitor can NEVER be trusted. (got enough smiley's and whatnot there Flames? Is the message to "ugly?" Momma used to so also, screw me once shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me.)

[falcon325]

Looks like Toyota needs to come up with more yen to keep the Bill Davis doors open. I'm sure Toyota isn't too pleased with the results so far. When D.J. expends all of his provisionals, who will be driving a Toyota in the races? Will Toyota tuck tail and run away? I doubt they expected things to turn out this way. And Mikey's team doesn't seem to have any answers.

I can't quite figure Toyota out, HH.  The didn't exactly line up the strongest teams or drivers.  Part of me thinks they intended to come in and just make laps the first year.  If they blew the doors off the competition in year one, they might have turned a lot of fans off.  Get established, "pay some dues" in the first year, knock down a win or two in the second year, run for the championship in the third year, and dominate like in the CTS after that.  But this is ridiculous.

 

[falcon325]

I wonder how often Jeremy wishes he had kept his mouth shut when he was still with Ray.

I don't know smyler.  Ray took Mayfiield's team and handed it over to the ever-so-marketable KK.  Then went off to diddle his little skirt while the 29 team floundered.  Jeremy sure wasn't getting anywhere with his mouth shut. 

But, then again, he sure isn't going anywhere in his new ride.  It's a tough world out there.

[HUDSON HORNET]

I can't quite figure Toyota out, HH.  The didn't exactly line up the strongest teams or drivers.  Part of me thinks they intended to come in and just make laps the first year.  If they blew the doors off the competition in year one, they might have turned a lot of fans off.  Get established, "pay some dues" in the first year, knock down a win or two in the second year, run for the championship in the third year, and dominate like in the CTS after that.  But this is ridiculous.

 

Ya know, I was thinking the same thing, Falcon. Tred lightly the first season, maybe get some fans feeling sorry for them --- then graduallly do better. Some fans do cheer for the underdawg. Could that be a clever angle?

It just seems odd that with so much advance research they would be making such a poor showing. Of course, I doubt they expected to be caught cheating, which put them behind the eight ball right out of the rack, but if they're putting forth their best effort they have a long ways to go to be competitive.

With their efforts so far, how likely is it they'll be able to lure better drivers in the future? Money isn't everything. Those who were attracted already might be re-thinking their decision. Well, except for Jeremy. Toyota was probably his last ditch effort to redeem himself. And we see how far that got him. How soon can we expect to hear Jeremy spouting off about Toyota or Bill Davis if he loses his ride this time?

If this continues, will NASCAR step in and make consessions for Toyota? Call it making an even playing field? Allow more factory support while the big three withdraw their factory support?

It's said that sales are the driving force behind racing. Race it on Sunday, sell it on Monday. With the showing Toyota is making now, who'd be buying a no-show on Monday? Except for the Tundra, which just might out sell the big three in a big way. But who'd want to be seen in a Camry? Unless they give 'em away.

Something seem fishy about this whole deal.

[Checkeredflag]

Look at the owners and drivers Toyota has chosen.  I don't know if they under-estimated the leap in talent at each subseqent level of NASCAR racing or if they're waiting until they can get an existing team to jump, but once all the announcements were made, I don't know how anyone could have expected them to do that much better than they are.

It's no surprise that Brian Vickers has the only Top 10 finish for Toyota.

Michael Waltrip going from 0 cars to 3 cars had "disaster" written all over it, even if you discount what happened at Daytona.   DJ hasn't been competitive (at least in terms of Top 5's and Top 10's) in years, one yellow flag win at Talladega notwithstanding.   Mikey may be Mr. Sponsor's Dream (although, in the past I have wondered whether his popularity was due to Mikey himself, or due to being "Mikey, Dale Jr.'s teammate".  Methinks that one's being answered right about now.    Reutimann is a rookie, and doing respectably well.  I see DJ falling out of the Top 35 right about the same time he runs out of past champion's provisionals, though.

Red Bull is brand new to the sport.  Brian Vickers showed that there is hope that by mid-season or so, they'll start building a little consistency, at least on the 83 team.  AJ Allmendinger I can't evaluate as a Cup rookie because he hasn't made a race.  Once the "new" Top 35 is set, though, he might have a couple more chances.

Bill Davis doesn't have an excuse.  Not only was he Toyota's stepping-stone into the NASCAR world, he also has the only team that existed prior to this year.  Blaney has made all the races, but he's already fallen outside the Top 35, and honestly, I don't see him clawing his way back in at Bristol.  Jeremy Mayfield - that team has hurt themselves so much, it's impossible to evaluate.  Who leaves a plug wire off when they know qualifying is so important?  But, then again, has anyone actually ever seen that product his car advertises?

Unless NASCAR lets them control their teams like they do in the Truck Series, it will take them several years to start having that kind of success.  BDR has shown an appalling lack of attention to detail - a factor that probably contributed to them never being a top tier team, and will probably continue to hold them back.  MWR needs at least 3 years to get its act together - no matter what Mikey has told his sponsors and manufacturer - they have to build chassis, hang bodies, accumulate parts, etc. for 3 teams from scratch.  They have no notes, their team members haven't worked together, etc.  Red Bull same thing, but because they're only trying to do it for 2 cars, the learning curve might be a teeny bit shorter - maybe 2 seasons to be competitive.

JMO, but I think that after its success in the Truck Series, Toyota may have under-estimated the magnitude of the leap to Cup. 

[flamehothead]

(got enough smiley's and whatnot there Flames? Is the message to "ugly?" Momma used to so also, screw me once shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me.)

Oh No, Here we go. I can see your going to run this in the Ground. Your about as Predictable as a Caution at a Napcar Race. I'm not sure what the Screw Me thing is all about but if it's for me, I guess Shame on YOU LMAO.

[flamehothead]

I can't quite figure Toyota out, HH.  The didn't exactly line up the strongest teams or drivers.  Part of me thinks they intended to come in and just make laps the first year.  If they blew the doors off the competition in year one, they might have turned a lot of fans off.  Get established, "pay some dues" in the first year, knock down a win or two in the second year, run for the championship in the third year, and dominate like in the CTS after that.  But this is ridiculous.

 

I think they got the Strongest team they were going to get. The teams they got that ran a Full Schedule were running the Dodge and the other teams are New so maybe it had something to do with Dodge. I honestly don't see Toyota getting anymore teams for awhile or at least until they show SOME improvment.

[flamehothead]

Here is the update on jayski.com. Doesn't look good.

UPDATE: nothing new on this..yet, but noticed....the 360 OTC website had a forum/message board for Jeremy Mayfield fans, but it has supposedly been shut down and folks cannot log on to it.