Sponsor's Integrity read it! (and 3-29-07 Voices too)

[HUDSON HORNET]

You can find the exact same list at NASCAR.com.

Just FYI.

WHY go THERE? When there's FRONTSTRETCH.com?
Tried the rest, ----- found the best.
I confess.
Now, my case, ----- I rest. 

Call your next wittness............................... .......................

[skool]

You can find the exact same list at NASCAR.com.

Just FYI.

Always a newbie throwing their 2 cents worth in there and acting like they know it all.       FYI....sheesh!


(Disclaimer- I am just kidding. No malice or even any seriousness was to inferred in the above message._

[FS Becca]

Someone posted a list of official NASCAR  sponsors from the NASCAR Media website "for us media types" or words to that effect.  I was simply pointing out that the same list can be found at NASCAR.com for those who don't have access to the media site.  Simple as that.

[skool]

Someone posted a list of official NASCAR  sponsors from the NASCAR Media website "for us media types" or words to that effect.  I was simply pointing out that the same list can be found at NASCAR.com for those who don't have access to the media site.  Simple as that.

Easy! I was only joking. I am sorry. will not happen again.

[Dustcloud]

Yay necroposting!

Though I've got little to say I guess, except that when I read the article, my mind translated it to "companies should be free to ignore contractual clauses they don't like." Which I think, in the worlds of said article, is a heap of bovine excrement. If Sunoco and Cingular got exclusions from the exclusion list, then they shoulda gotten them in writing. There's no pretending that this is the NASCAR of old where your good word and a handshake meant something. they're corporate enough to be able to figure these things out like good little boys and girls.   And it's not about feeling threatened. It's about why have a contract if you're not going to follow it? If you break one clause, what other ones will you break?

Consider... I've been a reported for almost a decade now, and every paper I've worked at required that no article I wrote for them be used elsewhere without permission from the company. Now these were both small-market East-Coast papers. So if I took a story I wrote for them and sold it without permission to a paper in Oregon, would my employer have a right to be angry? Heck yeah. They'd have a right to fire me, I imagine, and I couldn't blame them. Because they were losing money? Because they were threatened by competition from the same article appearing on the other coast? No. Because it's in the contract. They don't NEED any other reason.

[skool]

The problem I see with your argument Dustcloud is this.


" no article I wrote for them be used elsewhere without permission from the company. Now these were both small-market East-Coast papers. So if I took a story I wrote for them and sold it without permission to a paper in Oregon, would my employer have a right to be angry? Heck yeah. "

The keywords there are 'employer' and 'I wrote for them'

It is NOT your story. You were paid to write it and it is company property. If you sold it to another paper, you are selling company property for your own gain.

Sunoco, Nextel and NASCAR are just being petty.
Sunoco has the weakest case, as there is no ban on other fuel companies sponsoring a car (that I know of).
Nextel, as I explained in this weeks article http://www.frontstretch.com/jmeyer/7837/ is just plain making an ass of themselves and a HUGE marketing mistake in my opinion.
NASCAR, having already taken the HUGE monies from Nextel and Sunoco dont have the balls to take a stand on the side of common sense and say to Nextel and Sunoco that it is no big deal.  Just another example of NASCAR going for the big bucks now and not taking time to hash out common sense details in the contract that may come up later, and, in the long term be harmful to the sport and all involved (Sunoco, Nextel, NASCAR).

Yeah they got their big bucks for ten yrs from Nextel and Sunoco, but how much you want to bet that the price drops like a rock for the next sponsorship deal.   Look what theyve done with the Busch series. Doubled the price. AB said screw you NASCAR!

If I were AT&T, I would pull my Cingular brand off the car, (still sponsor the car though) and put on the car..."Our logo here" in big letters all over the car.  Fans would love it and EVERYBODY would know who and why!

[Dustcloud]

I can see your point, but I don't agree that it's not the same. The story's not mine, it's the company's, true. The contract allows me to use it. By the same token, the airtime cars get isn't theirs - and that's what the sponsors are really paying for, the national visibility (and merchandising) not the paltry few who come to see it live. The airtime is NASCAR's by right of contract, and I don't see how violating my contract with my story is any different than the sponsor violating their contract with the sponsorship logo.

Or put another way, at our local laser tag place, you have to sign that you agree to the rules before you go in. The rules are spelled out. Break them and you get kicked out. Refuse to abide by them in the first place and you can't come in. Makes sense, even if you don't agree wth all the rules. In NASCAR, these teams agree to certain things for the ability to race in NEXTEL Cup. They can't change the rules later if they were fools enough to agree to them in the first place. And if NASCAR gave these companies exclusivity in their contracts (which I imagine is the case if they can enforce it like this), it doesn't take balls for NASCAR to let AT&T be on a car. It takes breaking a contract with one party so they can then break a contract with other parties. THAT"S a lack of integrity, far more so than abiding by a contract to your own detriment.

And I'll agree, NEXTELand Sunoco are being petty. But that doesn't change the fact that AT&T was STUPID. Or really, stupid isn't the word. They were completely careless. And as far as I'm concerned, being petty is irritating, but not nearly as irritating as someone who doesn't cover all their bases then whines when they don't get their own way later because of it. AT&T or Cingular had that agreement? If they didn't get it in writing,, my opinion is it's just so much hot air.

[Tyyrus]

Dustcloud / Skool: The Sunoco issue is Dead , apparently Pennzoil tried a little Marketing 101 ...Oh...well Shell is the Parent Company..and were really all about Oil Only !..Ya right ..check out Happy's Commercial....all about Gasoline. Now the AT&T issue is a no brainer , Cingular One is taken over..new board of Govenors most likely...new identity...new Company , therfore no Grandfathering
acceptance or variance as was the case with Cingular ! But I do agree that both Nextel and Sunoco are rather Petty in my eyes , and as I expressed previously , all Competitive Manufacturers should be able to Sponsor Cars without bias from Nascar . The Contract only States the Preferred Supplier of Nascar , not the Only Sponsor of all Nascar Cup Competitors , which are Private Companies of their Own , and should not be encumbered buy Nascar within Freedom of Primary or Secondary Sponsor Eligibility..within Reason !