Who was 1st and Whats in Second ?

[Tyyrus]

So what was the Deal with Ambrose and Robbie Gordon ! The Yellow is out Gordon is clearly in 1st , Ambrose Spin's him and Nascar says Gordon will restart in 12th ?  Whats up with that ?

P.S. Also why the Hell let the Race restart with Gordon in Second place , stop the field (Pace Car) have Gordon put in 12th or remove him from the track ! Otherwise you get exactly what happened...Punt lol !   

[HUDSON HORNET]

Lets see,..............

All the talk was about how Robbie was gonna "rough up" the Aussie.
Who didn't think Robbie would?
Robbie rubbed a driver goin' for his FIRST win.
What seasoned racer doesn't know that first win makes a rookie hungry?

Why Robbie got rammed is moot.
It coulda been a racin' deal.
What WASN'T just a racin' deal is when Robbie ran up through the field and ran into the rear of the Aussie.
That's rough driving and should have put Robbie in the back of the field.

Robbie was black-flagged.
Scoring stops. Robbie is around two laps down at the end of the race even if he crossed the finish line first.

I think what pizzes Robbie off the most is he was beaten at his own game by the Aussie.

I also think Robbie shoud receive an award for his actions.
Call it a "Tony Award".           

[highbank]

Can anyone remember a time when a car has been given his spot back after being spun, regaurdless of the circumstances?

Gordon said in the post race interview that there "was a precident" set.......I can't think of one time its happened.

I'd like to have seen what happened right before Ambrose spun Gordon....I think we only saw half of the orginial incident.

[HUDSON HORNET]

Ambrose seems to be more clever than Robby. 

With the Powers that be NASCAR so intent on being in total control, I doubt Robby's little tantrum and power-play is going to go over real well with the suits and ties.

It wouldn't surprise me if NASCAR parked Robby for a race or two.
Hail!
Even if all of Robby's fans don't attend or tune into the race(s) Robby isn't running, there will only be three or four empty seats.

SOMEbody needs to clue Robby in about the history of Australia.

Ambrose made Robby cry.
Robby made Ambrose laugh.
And Robby made NASCAR mad.
But Kevin remains Happy (Harvick).

**I wonder if Kevin will talk to Tony now?**      

[Tyyrus]

Can anyone remember a time when a car has been given his spot back after being spun, regaurdless of the circumstances?
The Yellow was out when Ambrose spun Gordon , the field is frozen , so Gordon was in the lead !

I'd like to have seen what happened right before Ambrose spun Gordon....I think we only saw half of the orginial incident.  There is evidence of Ambrose being punted (damaged rear quarter panel) but either way Gordon would have been no worse than 2nd not 12th upon the restart..that's my point !  Also if Nascar did not agree then don't retart the Race and jeopardize the rest of the field with actions that we all new Gordon would provide lol !

[Matt]

I think Highbank brings up the most important point.

ESPN completely blew their coverage of how Robby got around Ambrose and when the yellow flew. The odd part is they actually had it on tape. You just need to look away from the cars piling up when Harvick spun the 21. Ahead of them you can see Gordon lay a bumper to Ambrose and get him sideways. And at that point the caution is flying. Ambrose remained in the lead but was all crossed up. That's when Robby took to the grass and completed the pass....again with the yellows clearly flying. At that point Ambrose relaliated and put Gordon sideways across the track. You can clearly see the damage to the right rear of Ambrose's Ford prior to his hitting RG.

I won't reiterate my feelings on RG. They are well known to those who read my work. But to me the video evidence is clear he passed Ambrose AFTER the yellow. Whether he should have been immeadiately black flagged or whether Ambrose deserved a black flag as well is open to debate.

[Tyyrus]

I think Highbank brings up the most important point.

ESPN completely blew their coverage of how Robby got around Ambrose and when the yellow flew. The odd part is they actually had it on tape. You just need to look away from the cars piling up when Harvick spun the 21. Ahead of them you can see Gordon lay a bumper to Ambrose and get him sideways. And at that point the caution is flying. Ambrose remained in the lead but was all crossed up. That's when Robby took to the grass and completed the pass....again with the yellows clearly flying. At that point Ambrose relaliated and put Gordon sideways across the track. You can clearly see the damage to the right rear of Ambrose's Ford prior to his hitting RG.

I won't reiterate my feelings on RG. They are well known to those who read my work. But to me the video evidence is clear he passed Ambrose AFTER the yellow. Whether he should have been immeadiately black flagged or whether Ambrose deserved a black flag as well is open to debate.

The Black Flag was not my point Matt ! But I have since recieved information from Nascar.Com that Nascar has Ruled that at the Time of Ambrose Spinning Gordon the Field was Frozen for the Harvick related Incident. Since Gordon spun and did not maintain a Cautious Pace , he was not scored until he Blended back into the field in 12th place ! That answers my 1st Question ! My second question was answered thus , Nascar asked Gordon to blend back to 12th behind the #33 , the Crew Chief acknowleged Nascar , but Robbie ignored this and therfore Nascar notified the #55 Team that he was being parked which Robbie also ignored ! But I still think Nascar should not have started the race knowing as any logical person having seen Gordon's Actions previously , would know would result in him punting the Leader !

P.S. Just another tid-bit Nascar apparently is still to determine wether they will suspend Gordon from participation in todays Cup Race ..according to Nascar.com ! 

[Matt]

Gordon has been suspended for today's race and likely more penalties will be announced on Tuesday.

[Tyyrus]

Not surprised Matt , I see that he was not entered in todays 2nd Practice Session !  It will be interesting to see Nascars Penalties for his deliberately Ingnoring their Instructions , to enable him to punt Ambrose

[Chris]

I agree...
We all knew the by allowing Gordon to restart in second "they allowed' Gordon to run in and punt Ambrose.
They come around several time under yellow,.. all they had to do was have an official step out on the track... red flag the event, step in front of Gordons car and put him in the position he belongs,... inform him he he moved from that spot before the green they would red flag AGAIN he would be PARKED.
Simple enough.
We do it week in and week out on our traveling race series.  No reason you can't do this same manuver yesterday... ESPECIALLY at a 30 mph pace speed.  Heck out pace speed on our track is 40 mph,.. and All the spotterss in yesterdays race would have been informed by nascar what was going on and known what to do.

IMO I hated to see Harvick win. Lajoie keep saying how Harvick got 'pushed down in the grass'... but when you looked at the replay.... thats not at all what happened.
Pruett had the inside line in the first corner and Harvick got left on the outside,.. then got BEAT to the inside corner on the second corner.  Harvick had to check up and several cars were gonna pass him... simple as that.  He got pissed, so he just flat booted Pruett.  I just watched the replay this morning, and you can clearly see the nose of the car drop down,.. and then rise up where he gassed the car to gun it so he could punt him.  Of course that caused the whole mele.
After he was the one that caused the whole mess.. I hated he got "rewarded" for it. 

[FS_Amy]

Hmmm, let's review-Robby spins a guy on purpose, admits it after the race, and gets parked from today's Cup race.  Kevin Harvick punts a guy on purpose, admits it after the race, and not only is racing today BUT was also allowed to keep the win in the Busch race.  While I don't believe that NASCAR fixes races, because that would be too difficult and also foolhardy, I will say they do certainly know how to screw the guys they DON't want to make the field or win races!

[HUDSON HORNET]

I agree...
We all knew the by allowing Gordon to restart in second "they allowed' Gordon to run in and punt Ambrose.
They come around several time under yellow,..


 all they had to do was have an official step out on the track...    red flag the event, step in front of Gordons car       and put him in the position he belongs,...

sAY what Chris?! 

If you were the official assigned that task, ....... would YOU step out in front of Robby Gordon when he's in one of HIS *moods*?!  ? 

I'm thinking that "position" you mention putting Robby in just might be over the official who stepped out in front of him.



 inform him he he moved from that spot before the green they would red flag AGAIN he would be PARKED.
Simple enough.

SIMPLE?!
     ;)See comments in Teal above ^


We do it week in and week out on our traveling race series.  No reason you can't do this same manuver yesterday... ESPECIALLY at a 30 mph pace speed.

O U C H!
Hey Chris! 
30 mph hurts longer than at 60 mph when ya are getting run over by a race car. 

 Heck out pace speed on our track is 40 mph,.. and All the spotterss in yesterdays race would have been informed by nascar what was going on and known what to do.

IMO I hated to see Harvick win. Lajoie keep saying how Harvick got 'pushed down in the grass'... but when you looked at the replay.... thats not at all what happened.
Pruett had the inside line in the first corner and Harvick got left on the outside,.. then got BEAT to the inside corner on the second corner.  Harvick had to check up and several cars were gonna pass him... simple as that.  He got pissed, so he just flat booted Pruett.  I just watched the replay this morning, and you can clearly see the nose of the car drop down,.. and then rise up where he gassed the car to gun it so he could punt him.  Of course that caused the whole mele.
After he was the one that caused the whole mess.. I hated he got "rewarded" for it. 

Good Luck in today's picks Chris! 

[Racergiant]

Why did NA$CAR react the way it did?

Because they knew the press would react this way:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=jo-nascarmontreal080407&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Not the first impression they had hoped to earn.  But...

Isn't this kind of action the exact reason NA$CAR has such a HUGE fan base?

Remember way way way back when NA$CAR was barely televised?  And then it was only in the highlight reels...

Back then the first NA$CAR race was televised flag to flag to an audience that was snow-bound from the mid-atlantic to the north-east.  NA$CAR had the advantage...  There was no baseball played that day, no football to fall back on.  NA$CAR had centerstage... 

How did the race finish?  To cars crashing and then a 3 person fist-fight..

NA$CAR was horrified but - it was such a spectacle that hundreds of thousands of fans were converted that day.

Bck to the present day and NA$CAR's visit to Canada.

NA$CAR was again not pleased - and we all know - when NA$CAR is not pleased - someone's gonna pay...

[HUDSON HORNET]

RacerGiant!
All that sun in Sandy Eggo has fried your brain man!
How else do you explain being so logical?        

[Racergiant]

RacerGiant!
All that sun in Sandy Eggo has fried your brain man!
How else do you explain being so logical?        

LOL

I think it's from having been there, on the inside and learning how the NA$CAR mind thinks...

Once you get into their "mindset" it's fairly easy to see their reactions.

(altho - it could be the super-secret radio transmissions I intercepted from the Black Helicopters...)