Thoughts

[20forLogano]

on the rain tires in the Nationwide race?  I thought this was a great success.  Nascar.com reporting the results are the way they were running when the caution came out.  Field was frozen.  That leaves Joey 4th and Villaneuve 6th.  THat is the way it should go down but that is unofficial.  What are people's thoughts?  Being a Joey I hope this puts to rest anyone's doubts about Joey being able/ready to run in Cup next year.  He ran with the ringers all day and showed he is mature and talented beyond his years.  That was fun.

[FS_Amy]

I was impressed with NASCAR's handling of the race.  However, leaving Logano and Villeneuve in the positions they were in when the caution came out is not the way the rule book reads. In order to maintain that position, you have to maintain a reasonable speed until the caution ends (in this case it ended when the red flag came out).  Villeneuve and Logano failed to do that, so, while I appreciate what NASCAR was trying to do, I think they need to enforce the rules they have set for themselves.  If they choose to ammend them later, cool, but IMO, the rules are there, they should be upheld. Nothing against either driver, but they failed to maintain caution speed for the length of the caution.

[Tyyrus]

Logano's the Real Deal in my humble opinion he is ready for the Dance ! 

[zebmonkey]

I was impressed with NASCAR's handling of the race.  However, leaving Logano and Villeneuve in the positions they were in when the caution came out is not the way the rule book reads. In order to maintain that position, you have to maintain a reasonable speed until the caution ends (in this case it ended when the red flag came out).  Villeneuve and Logano failed to do that, so, while I appreciate what NASCAR was trying to do, I think they need to enforce the rules they have set for themselves.  If they choose to ammend them later, cool, but IMO, the rules are there, they should be upheld. Nothing against either driver, but they failed to maintain caution speed for the length of the caution.

I agree. They did not maintain reasonable speed therefore they should be scored behind those who made it back to the pit lane when all the other cars did. I know JV did make it back, but Logano was towed back.

[Busch Babe 899]

But it was NASCAR's fault they were in a position to wreck, keeping them out there running around in the downpour, when they could hardly see...I think it's fair they did that, because they should have thrown the red flag a lap sooner...only after the 2 of them wrecked, did they finally throw it.

It was a fun race to watch....up until that point, I was quite impressed...and a little surprised that some didn't bother with wipers at all...then again, from what I understand, those that had them, every time they hit the brakes, the wipers flew forward off the windshield, not helping at all at that point....and didn't help a lot anyway, when it was heavy rain.

[20forLogano]

But it was NASCAR's fault they were in a position to wreck, keeping them out there running around in the downpour, when they could hardly see...I think it's fair they did that, because they should have thrown the red flag a lap sooner...only after the 2 of them wrecked, did they finally throw it.

It was a fun race to watch....up until that point, I was quite impressed...and a little surprised that some didn't bother with wipers at all...then again, from what I understand, those that had them, every time they hit the brakes, the wipers flew forward off the windshield, not helping at all at that point....and didn't help a lot anyway, when it was heavy rain.

BINGO BuschBabe.  These conditions were something Nascar has not seen before.  When you have 2 cars in the top 6 wreck because of adverse weather conditions Nascar should go back to the last scoring loop.  When there is a green/white/checker and there is a caution the field is frozen and the results go to the last scoring loop.  With the way this race went that is the way it SHOULD be scored.  I applaude Nascar.

[Fathead]

Ah, the grey area of "reasonable" speed.  What is reasonable?   If nascar decides that it was reasonable for the 20 to take longer due to a wreck caused by the rain, then they will do it.



Remember, Nascar said Biffle maintained "reasonable" speed at Kansas.

[FS_Amy]

NASCAR fixed their scoring, correcting their error.

Villeneuve had pitted on his own, the rules on that are clear.  Logano wasn't moving at all.  IMO, NASCAR no longer has a judgement call when it goes from reasonalbe speed to no speed.  While I agree that NASCAR threw the red flag too late, I also think it's unfair to penalize all the drivers who DIDN'T crash under those condition-the track was bad-but more than 30 guys managed to hang onto their cars, and they should be the ones to maintain the positions they finish in.

I have always thought the written rule should be changed to a black and white "pit road speed"  If a racecar can't run at 45-65 miles an hour, and could not reasonalbly restart after a caution period if it went green next lap, the the position should go to someone who can.

As for Logano, he drove a great race.  Driving wise, I believe he's probably ok for Cup.  But there are so many other factors that decide readiness, and I really am not sold that he's mature enough.  While I like that he's not satisfied with not winning, he needs to leard to be tactful about it.  Throwing his team under the bus, even by omission I do not care for.  He has always seemed like a nice, genuine kid, and I'd hate to see that change because he was brought up to fast among teammates who aren't really mature anough to help him in the areas he needs it.

[Busch Babe 899]

  When there is a green/white/checker and there is a caution the field is frozen and the results go to the last scoring loop. 

Well, not entirely true...they go to video to determine who's in the lead when a caution happens on the last lap and the race is over, not the last loop...prior to the last lap, they go to the last loop, unless something odd happens, like Carl Edwards down in the grass to avoid a wreck a few races back, missing the last scoring loop...they had to go to video to put him back in the right position....

[20forLogano]

Not sure when Joey threw his team under the bus but it is what it is.  In any event Joey is ready and can't wait to see him in the 20 next year.  That race was great regardless of the way it finished

[FS_Amy]

There have been a couple of races now where I can't recall Joey thanking his team for their hard work.  Combined with complaining about his finish, he is, in essence, blaming them by omission. That leaves a sour taste in my mouth-those guys work their butts off every week.  It's really no differnt from any other job-you praise your employees in public, criticize in private.   Like I said, I think he's talented enough, but neither mature enough nor experienced enough.  If JGR really wanted to develop him into a championship contender, they should wait a year and let him gain both of those things-he'd probably be happier for it in the long run.

[KurtBuschFan]

Like I said, I think he's talented enough, but neither mature enough nor experienced enough.  If JGR really wanted to develop him into a championship contender, they should wait a year and let him gain both of those things-he'd probably be happier for it in the long run.

And that's exactly why I don't think he's ready to make the move up....has nothing to do with his driving abilities...

[Chris]

And that's exactly why I don't think he's ready to make the move up....has nothing to do with his driving abilities...

Well.. I have to throw this out... If saying nice things about your team, have the proper attitude, etc were all "requirements" for getting to the CUP level... then some of the guys on the CUP series now wouldn't get there.
Kyle Busch for one comes to mind presently....
I'm sure if I thought about it I could think about a lot of "old" guys who were in the same boat.

[KurtBuschFan]

It wouldn't surprise me if there were alot of "old guys" in the same boat.  Joey's young and has time to mature....he shouldn't be rushed up to the Cup level.

[Chris]

BINGO BuschBabe.  These conditions were something Nascar has not seen before.  When you have 2 cars in the top 6 wreck because of adverse weather conditions Nascar should go back to the last scoring loop.  When there is a green/white/checker and there is a caution the field is frozen and the results go to the last scoring loop.  With the way this race went that is the way it SHOULD be scored.  I applaude Nascar.

hhuumm I need to go check the results and see what NASCAR ever did for the "final" results...  
IMO if Logano and JV crashed under yellow... per NASCAR rules they should go to the end of the line for laps completed.
As far as 'checking the scoring loop" to see what place to put someone in like at a Green / white / checkers..... (and I know a couple folks commented on this senerio)
The "correct way" to do it IS to check the video (if it's the end of the race) and anyone INVOLVED in the accident goes to the tail end of the lap they are on... SO if someone spins and then gets going they go to the end.
There is 'supposed" to be a system in place where they "final" lineup (finish order in this instance) would be by the last scoring loop for all those involved in the accident.
SO if we were racing at Daytona, and they had a 8 car wreck on a G/W/C finish.... if the 8 cars couldn't continue ... they would be placed in their finish by the order of the last scoring loop  (video if available) before the crash.  But anyone involved and can't keep up speed,.. then they go to the rear of the lap they are on (and in front of those who are a DNF)

SO from the sounds of it if JV crashed under yellow... and he was able to get HIMSELF to the pits... he'd go to the end of the lap he was on....
If Logano crashed and then they run one more lap.. then Logano would be at the end of cars one lap down.

IF They red flagged it without running another lap and Logano finished on the lead lap... Logano would be the LAST car on the lead lap.. and JV right in front of him.  Reason being; JV got back to the pits on his own, and logano had to be towed in.