I dont suppose this will be a popular thread...

[Blu]

but ...
Carl was pretty mouthy and may have put his foot in his mouth after the race by admitting he intentionally "bumped" Kyle out of the way and that it was payback and they "were even" now.

I seem to recall Sr,. Smoke,  and a few others doing just  that in the past and getting in NASCAR hot water for being "vigilantes" and NASCAR stating they would not put up with that.

Say what you will about Kyle but he raced Carl clean alll night. I would have been upset too at that "bump and run".
 I mean,flat out beat me... I dont care, race me hard, trade paint ..OK., That IS racin'!
 But it just seems cheap when someone says "I tried to pass, and tried to pass , and couldnt do it,"  and then just push someone outta the way cause you cant win by just racing them.
Heck, anyone can do that.

 I dunno... maybe its just me, but truthfully forget that it was Kyle and Carl and see how youd feel about ti if it was your driver being treated to it.

I can gaurentee you..Id be ticked to. NOT at coming in 2nd.... but at the way you were passed.
Be interesting to see what if anyhting  NASCAR has to say bout it.


PS: Ol Clint Bowyer may be right about Mikey  ... but, he was kinda jumping the gun blaming him for that wreck with the 5 .I didnt see the 55 do anything wrong at all.

[Tonyfan14]

Well if it was my driver getting bumped out of the lead by Carl, Carl never would have made it across the finish line in one piece. ;-) Kyle was alot nicer to Carl than some other drivers would have been. 

I think both need to get fined for what they did after the race. I'm kind of surpised that only Kyle got called in the trailer. Carl should have had to go in there as well. He did spin Kyle out afterwards.
 

[Blu]

Well if it was my driver getting bumped out of the lead by Carl, Carl never would have made it across the finish line in one piece. ;-) Kyle was alot nicer to Carl than some other drivers would have been. 

I think both need to get fined for what they did after the race. I'm kind of surpised that only Kyle got called in the trailer. Carl should have had to go in there as well. He did spin Kyle out afterwards.
 

I agree 100%

[20forLogano]

What happened last night was Bristol.  I think it was a perfect way to end a night and start a rivalry.  Carl did what anyone would have done to win a race, the night race at Bristol.  Never wrecked him.  Kyle came back and returned the favor, Carl held on.  That was your typical short track race.  If the shoe was on the other foot, same outcome would have happened. 
What I have trouble with is Kyle's actions after.  He continually shows his immaturity.  I have met Kyle and hung out with him. He is a great person but when he is on the track, his actions are detrimental.  He said in his first few years that he lived in his brother's shadow/guilty by association.  As we all see now that was a smokescreen.  If Kyle let his talent lead, he would have many more fans and not as many people would hate him.  But winning/antics/mouth seem to keep him hated.  If was very close last night, him drilling Kurt and Reutimann when they were idle in the middle of the track after the race.  Terrible.
Nascar is loving this though.  Yeah, they called Kyle to the hauler and there will be some actions done.  I think Carl should get a little as well for he also spun Kyle so he wasn't an innocent bystander.  Nascar will come out and say they don't condone this but internally they are salivating at the mouth.  They just made the Labor Day Race BORE (Cali) something to look forward to because the 18 and 99 will battle for the win.  Ultimately what does this do....  IMO is makes the 48 team a sleeping giant.  Everyone is going to focus on the 99 and 18 for the championship/rivalry and the 48 comes in under the proverbial radar.  Kyle and Carl are dominating the 2008 season but they haven't won a championship in Cup.  JJ is back to back champ and sitting, again IMO, in a great position.

[scott b]

20forLogano is right on the money.  NASCAR should publicly reprimand both drivers, and privately thank them profusely for putting some drama into the season.  With Shrub and Edwards 1-2 in the standings, this could be the best rivalry since Petty and Bobby Allison went at each other every week back in the early 70's.

[Tonyfan14]

Maybe they can cont to wreck eachother and allow my driver to sneek up on them and win the Championship. 

[DougS]

Once again I saw Klye Busch running his mouth faster then his brains putting words into Carl Edwards mouth. I saw Carl be a racer and man up to his actions. Kyle is the only driver that needed to be called to the hauler for INTENTIONALLY damaging the 99.

How many times have we heard I got in hot and was just a little loose from Kyle .... two right off the top of my head

Under Jonny Benson in the truck race at Martisville

Under Dale Jr. in Richmond

Kyle Busch got exactlly what he has reaped and exactly why he was released from Hendrick Motorsports. Joe Gibbs wants to talk to Carl about reap what you sow after that meeting, he should have known he was getting a box of broken goods from Hendrick when signing Busch.

Busch should have been put on probation after the Montoya incident but NASCAR wants a driver in a black hat to keep up ratings. Once again NASCAR puts themselfs in a box by creating a situation that they think they can control and it gets out of the box.

Kyle Busch VooDoo dolls and stress head will be major sellers next year for NASCAR marketing.

[racin_girl72]

I agree with Blu and TF20, especially about Tony sneaking in to win the championship. 

The bump and run to win is one thing, but doing it with 30 laps to go is cheap.  Carl knew he wouldn't be able to keep up on the long run and got desperate.

[20forLogano]

I agree with Blu and TF20, especially about Tony sneaking in to win the championship. 

The bump and run to win is one thing, but doing it with 30 laps to go is cheap.  Carl knew he wouldn't be able to keep up on the long run and got desperate.

Call it desperate, call it racing.  Edwards needs to close the points gap lead Kyle has and he did what he had to do.  Kyle would have done the exact same.  He did it to Benson Wednesday night and he isn't even running in the championship there.  Kyle's actions lead by example and when the shoe is on the other foot, he comes out with the Mr. Ed comments.

[20forLogano]

IMO Tony is way to focused on his ownership duties to win the championship.  When he is talking about getting out of the car when he is out of chase contention to me means his mind isn't focused on winning.

[HUDSON HORNET]

Edwards needs to close the points gap lead Kyle has and he did what he had to do. 

Why?   
Aren't they both comfortably in the chase?
I might understand your reasoning during the last ten races, but once the chase starts, all
those points disappear anyway. So, what's the difference if one of them is 5 or 10 points ahead
when the chase starts? Or, do you think it's going to be that close in the end? 

[FS_Amy]

I don't have a problem with a bump and run if it is for the win one the last couple of laps and done correctly with a truly faster car.  I don't like putting a guy in the wall or running someone over ona restart, but bump and run for the win is part of the game.  A correctly done bump and run does NOT wreck the other guy, it moves him over.  Carl did it right but was still wrong IMO because he did it with 30 to go.  IMO, BOTH of them should have been called in for their postrace antics.

I DO have a problem with retaliating with a racecar on pit road anytime, or after the checkered flag anywhere.  It's unprofessional and uncalled-for.  On pit raod, a crew member could be hurt.  On a cooldown lap, drivers loosen their belts and stick hands out for a cool breeze.  There is too much chance for injury.  If you have a beef with a guy, man up and "discuss" it out of the car.  Retaliating with a racecar should not be tolerated by NASCAR at any time, period.

[south jersey girl]

Kyle Busch would have done the same thing if he was running 2nd
Kyle Busch HAS done the same thing when running 2nd
And if Kyle could have gotten to Carl's bumper, he probably would have put him into the wall.  If he hadn't of been busy fighting with (his teammate) Denny for 2nd after Carl "passed" him for the lead he might have had a chance to catch Carl...

Didn't Kyle bump Jimmie out of the way at Chicago a few races ago??

Didn't Kyle bump David Ragan out of the way to move from 3rd to 2nd on one of the last restarts last week at Michigan??
...and that was only to take over 2nd...

[DotheDew88]

All I have to say is "How does it feel Kyle?" It's nothing you haven't already done this year!

[KurtBuschFan]

Kyle would have done the exact same.  He did it to Benson Wednesday night and he isn't even running in the championship there.

Now I'm the last one that wants to jump in and defend Kyle Busch, but I didn't see Kyle intentionally bump Benson out of the way.

As far as the rest of this thread, I'll be back after I finish watching the taping of the race before I share my thoughts...