Which "get back" was worse?

[KurtBuschFan]

I'm gonna have to agree with Amy....Both were equally bad because retaliation with a race car is just plain dangerous.  If you take into account the number of vehicles involved, it's really a no-brainer that Matt's was worse.

[20forLogano]

I would park him for the race in Homestead.  Drivers will learn one of these days that wrecking is not cool especially with all those cars around him.  I have never been a huge Matt fan but I did repsect him.  Lost that yesterday.

[MrPriest]

AJ did ask his spotter to apologize to both Matt and Tony's people.  He told his spotter to tell them that it was all his fault and that he was sorry.   Apparently his spotter didn't communicate it to the right people.   Matt hitting the Dinger on the last lap, coming down the straightaway when all the cars behind them are peddle to the metal, balls to the wall was way worse.  Matt said over his in car radio as he just finished taking out the Dinger, "Did you see that he just came up and hit me in the door, he's all over the place."  Matt later said that he lost his rear grip and couldn't help it.  Yea, right Matt, nudge nudge Wink Wink........   

[Chris]

Yeah... theres a LOT more to the drivers than what they show "publicly" when the camera is on them...
I know when I was on a NASCAR pit crew I got an eye opening experience and got to see what the drivers are REALLY like...
Very educational...  MANY are nothing like they appear to be

[PlanoHarvickFan]

Yeah... theres a LOT more to the drivers than what they show "publicly" when the camera is on them...
I know when I was on a NASCAR pit crew I got an eye opening experience and got to see what the drivers are REALLY like...
Very educational...  MANY are nothing like they appear to be

LOL, in other words, they are good "politicians" when they are on camera.

[Chris]

LOL, in other words, they are good "politicians" when they are on camera.

Yeah.. thats a good way of putting it... gotta be all PC... put on a good front and keep the sponsors happy.  Can't go and look back and have that be a bad representation on the sponsor.... unless of course your sponsor is WWC

[Harvick Rules]

Oh this is a no brainer. David's payback was far worse. The only thing that sucked about Matt's payback was that it collected more than just AJ and JPM.

Agreed anyone can see that.

[Harvick Rules]

NO doubt Kenseths was worse.... First of all... there was no point in it.  The race was over, so he didn't have any point in hitting AJ and wrecking him in the first place.  Why do ya wreck as guy as you hit the checkered flag...
Then you just had a Green/white/checkered restart, and you KNOW the rest of the field is stacked up behind you and will be piling in on the mess that Kenseth created because they are all bunched up.....
Just an idiotic move... WAY too many cars torn up for absolutely no reason.
If he had anything to say He should of just saw AJ after the race,.. or called him on Monday...
Now of course WE all knew AJ had already said he was sorry for casuing them to spin out,.. and MAYBE Kenseth didn't know that.
But often the driver will send a message to his spotter to go tell the OTHER spotter he is sorry... so maybe Kenseth HAD already gotten the message and just wanted to wreck him anyway..??  In any event, it was a dumb move.
At least after Gilliland had been jacked up two or three time by Montoya already... it was then he decided to hit Montoya.  Not after one incident... And I'll point out ALL the cars involved were racing on the lead lap when AJ got into then, and Allmendinger had 4 new tires, and was much faster than Kenseth and Stewart.  SO I'd say it could be a little over agressive on AJ's part... but they were all on the lead lap and it was just good hard racing...
With Gilliland... Montoya had a better car,.. and took delight in jacking up a lapped down car.  I don't blame Gilliland for punting him into the wall. 

I'd like to point out that this week AGAIN Montoya wrecked Mears and caused a big pile-up... so Montoya running over people is nothing new.  I'd like to see MORE people put him wind-shield deep into the fence.  Maybe he'd learn to adjust his driving style a little and show a little respect for everyone on the track

Montoya got wrecked at 180 mph on purpose into the wall. Just because you don't like Montoya doesn't mean that makes it ok.

[Chris]

Montoya got wrecked at 180 mph on purpose into the wall. Just because you don't like Montoya doesn't mean that makes it ok.

Now.. who said I didn't like the guy... Some people just need some of their own medicine to get the message. 

[postalretired]

No matter whose payback was more egregious there is extreme, almost criminal, intent involved on the part ot the perpetrator.  Although these people are millionaires many times over I think they or the team owner should be required to pay for all damages to all those affected by the incident if it was determined that it was indeed a payback.  In this case I read above something like $800,000 dollars damage and a suspension.  That would take a chunk out of any driver's bank account.  If material damage isn't enough there is always the possibility of killing or injuring innocent spectators.  I have been to racing events where I have seen people die up close  and it isn't something to take home with you that night. 

[Chris]

No matter whose payback was more egregious there is extreme, almost criminal, intent involved on the part ot the perpetrator.  Although these people are millionaires many times over I think they or the team owner should be required to pay for all damages to all those affected by the incident if it was determined that it was indeed a payback.  In this case I read above something like $800,000 dollars damage and a suspension.  That would take a chunk out of any driver's bank account.  If material damage isn't enough there is always the possibility of killing or injuring innocent spectators.  I have been to racing events where I have seen people die up close  and it isn't something to take home with you that night. 

You make a good statement PR... Having been to over 100 CUP races (alone) not to mention all the NNS races, CTS races, ASA, ARCA, etc etc... of course then you get into WoW USAC, Indy car... not to mention several years when we sponsored a race car and we went to local tracks three nights a week.  Heck I was a race official for 18 years... local track every week... I've saw it at all levels.  Cup, NNS, ARCA, INDY, sprints, WoW, ASA, local tracks,.... I'd hate to start counting the number of drivers I have saw lose their lives in a race car.  As you say it's not something to take home with you when you leave.

Paybacks have been a part of racing since it's inception.  I don't see ANY WAY to ever really 'stop' then because they can always be 'accidental'. 
There are some guys who always think they have to be 'one up' for it to be 'even' so that further complicates the situation.  If there was EVER a driver who needed some payback for his rough driving style it was Dale Sr.  If he couldn't pass someone he'd just knock them out of the way.  For some unknown reason the drivers always waited on NASCAR to reign him in.  I remember when he was racing many drivers saying "I don't know WHEN NASCAR is going to finally stop him from crashing people all the time"  I remember in the Winston one year Dale hit B Elliott when he was leading knocking him into the wall, and costing him the race.  Bill put on a new tire and even though the two was never together during the race again Elliott sure laid a hell of a lick on Earnhardt AFTER the race was over.  The crowd gave him a standing ovation, (seemed to show most people were tired of his driving style also)
If the drivers Earnhardt Sr crashed one week had come right back the NEXT week and put HIM in the wall he'd have learned REAL QUICK not to be crashing so many people.  Unfortunately they kept waiting on NASCAR to do something.  Also if the drivers had done something there would of NEVER been this question about who was better; Petty or Dale... because he would of had so many DNF's he would of never had 7 championships.  He'd been lucky to have 4....
I've always thought it was interesting that the guy that made a habit of crashing drivers and wrecking them into the wall... went out that way.

[Tyyrus]

No matter whose payback was more egregious there is extreme, almost criminal, intent involved on the part ot the perpetrator.  Although these people are millionaires many times over I think they or the team owner should be required to pay for all damages to all those affected by the incident if it was determined that it was indeed a payback.  In this case I read above something like $800,000 dollars damage and a suspension.  That would take a chunk out of any driver's bank account.  If material damage isn't enough there is always the possibility of killing or injuring innocent spectators.  I have been to racing events where I have seen people die up close  and it isn't something to take home with you that night. 

Hell another Postie...Welcome aboard ! You are correct in the potential for Serious Injury to Innocent Competitors ! But Racing is Racing and these types of things generally do happen. If Nascar would Penalize more Seriously it might be reduced , but not holding mu breath for that lol!