Nascar looking at rule changes.

[racefan1955]

I see the truck series going away in the next two years. Kind of sad though they seem to have the best finishes of all 3 series at times

[KurtBuschFan]

Gosh I hope you're wrong racefan....

[Chris]

So you would rather have guys that are laps down cause the wrecks?  If you are going to the front and try to win I want the guys who can win be the factors.  You are correct cautions breed cautions but having lap down guys affect things is silly.  So Jason Leffler running 5 laps down in the front of the pack today was a smart thing?  Totally disagree.

NO you missed my point...
We OFTEN see on retstarts when the leaders line up double file all it does is cause MORE wrecks...  Yeah it's the Shootout and all star race,.. but still if you wreck you can't win..  So IMO these guys just run like idiots when they have new tires and start double file...
At least if the lapped cars are on the inside the leader work by then and aren't wrecking near as much.  Yeah it happens that an idiot like Jr will be a lap down and crash the field.  But lappers don't crash the leaders on restarts near as often as leaders do just racing for position..

[20forLogano]

NO you missed my point...
We OFTEN see on retstarts when the leaders line up double file all it does is cause MORE wrecks...  Yeah it's the Shootout and all star race,.. but still if you wreck you can't win..  So IMO these guys just run like idiots when they have new tires and start double file...
At least if the lapped cars are on the inside the leader work by then and aren't wrecking near as much.  Yeah it happens that an idiot like Jr will be a lap down and crash the field.  But lappers don't crash the leaders on restarts near as often as leaders do just racing for position..

I still think the leaders should race who they are racing and not against cats a lap down or more.  I mean, first race of 09 and we have 2 lappers taking out 9 cars and ruining the best on the track.  If they are not there they can't wreck the field.  Cautions are a part of the sport and I would rather be pissed and know I got wrecked from a cat I was racing for position rather than a guy who wrecks me because he is pissed he screwed up on his pit stop.

[KurtBuschFan]

I still think the leaders should race who they are racing and not against cats a lap down or more.  I mean, first race of 09 and we have 2 lappers taking out 9 cars and ruining the best on the track.  If they are not there they can't wreck the field.  Cautions are a part of the sport and I would rather be pissed and know I got wrecked from a cat I was racing for position rather than a guy who wrecks me because he is pissed he screwed up on his pit stop.

I agree completely...

[DougS]

I still think the leaders should race who they are racing and not against cats a lap down or more.  I mean, first race of 09 and we have 2 lappers taking out 9 cars and ruining the best on the track.  If they are not there they can't wreck the field.  Cautions are a part of the sport and I would rather be pissed and know I got wrecked from a cat I was racing for position rather than a guy who wrecks me because he is pissed he screwed up on his pit stop.

Even I can't argue with that logic!

[Chris]

I still think the leaders should race who they are racing and not against cats a lap down or more.  I mean, first race of 09 and we have 2 lappers taking out 9 cars and ruining the best on the track.  If they are not there they can't wreck the field.  Cautions are a part of the sport and I would rather be pissed and know I got wrecked from a cat I was racing for position rather than a guy who wrecks me because he is pissed he screwed up on his pit stop.

My only point was this... whether it's a lap down car,.. or all the leaders running up front.  They are JUST as likely to wreck, and from past results it seems even MORE so with all leaders in the front.

[Tyyrus]

Guess I threw a high, hanging curveball there!!!!  Took me downtown Doug did!

Hell Skool Ole Buddy ...thinkin that Ball is still orbiting Iowa lolo ! 

[20forLogano]

My only point was this... whether it's a lap down car,.. or all the leaders running up front.  They are JUST as likely to wreck, and from past results it seems even MORE so with all leaders in the front.

Guess you and I look at it different here and that is what makes this site awesome.  My brain tells me regardless if I get wrecked by a lap down car or a lead lap car I am going to be pissed.  At least though if am wrecked by a lead lap guy I am racing him for position and/or going for the win.  If I get wrecked by a guy that is not racing me for position or win would piss me off a lot more.

[CodeBlueEMT]

 I don't like the lapped cars restarting on the inside. Not because of wrecks, because they begin holding up lead lap cars trying to stay in touch with the race leader. The first few cars usually clear the lappers, but the other lead lap cars get hung up behind the lappers. IMO, this takes away from good racing. Let the leaders fight it out amongst themselves without the rolling roadblocks created by lapped cars. Lucky Dog or no Lucky Dog, keep the lappers in the back of the field.

 Shayne

[Chris]

yeah I understand what everyone is saying...
And I agree completely with the 'logic' of putting all the lappers behind the lead lap cars... there they can do no harm by and large, at least not to the leaders.
I just have a problem with the double file thing.  Just too many wrecks from guys who think "this is my one shot" and go over their head..
I could support the thing 100% if they did single file starts..  why wait to 20 laps to go.
NASCAR knows lappers get in the way and effect the racing, and are trying to 'fit it' for the final 20 laps
We KNOW they lappers get in the way and effect the racing THE WHOLE RACE... so why not just do a single file restart the whole race... especially NOW since they have that 50 foot box where the leaders has to fire.  With that everyone knows when the start is coming, and no game playing by the drivers.

[CodeBlueEMT]

 I could go for the single file restarts all of the time. Would make places like Bristol and Martinsville real interesting with single file restarts.

 Shayne

[Chris]

I see lots of sports writers and burning up their word processors writing articles that the re-starts should be changed.  It's drawn a ton of attention, so I guess JR being an idiot could of been a 'good' thing.  At least when he crashed the field it was a 'lapper' someone cared about and gets press...
I see lots of writers now calling for double file restarts with all the leaders in the front,,.. and several also calling for leaders to the front in a single file restart..
Lots of press and interest generated,.. usually when that happens NASCAR has to at least "acknowledge" the issue, and discuss it in public.
Sometimes things get changed when that happens..??