Bud Shoot Out expands by 4 cars

[DougS]

BUT then again he is still an immature kid  just like Kyle Busch was.

When did anyone besides DW and his manlove call Kyle Busch mature???

[FS_Amy]

So Carl Edwards makes a move that is extremely dangerous at a 1.5 mile track at a lot higher speed than what Logano did it at, states he does it in video games and thought he could do it there, is thought to be funny?  I am not saying there was no injury concern but come on, at that speed at that track?  There was a very minimal opportunity for an injury to occur.  I see a lot dirtier moves week in and week out than what that move was. 
As for Joey never apologizing, he most certainly did.  He said he went for it but he was sorry he took out some cars behind him.

But he never manned up and apologized directly on the air to Sellers, as he should have.  As far as I know, he never offered to pay for Sellers' car, as he should have.  He also doesn't consistently thank his team on the air-if he thinks the car wasn't good enough (like he ran 6th) he complains instead of the first words thanking his team.  Immature, to say the least.

And I never said I didn't think what Carl did at Kansas wasn't just as bad.  He made the same move, not caring if he took out Jimmie Johnson or not.  It just so happens that he didn't, but I don't think he gave a rodent's behind about the fact that he could have hurt a competitor...adn on THAT track, at THOSE speeds, it is more possible, to be sure.  I do think Logano was slightly stupider for his move at Irwindale, because if a better driver (Carl) couldn't do it in a heavier car, he should have known better.  Logano has a ton of potential, but right now he's his own worst enemy when it comes to putting his foot in his mouth.

[20forLogano]

BIG Difference dude Carl hit the wall not someone Else's  car AS for an Apologize Saying he thought he won just didn't get the trophy was an immature response BUT then again he is still an immature kid  just like Kyle Busch was. hopefully he will grow up and accept when it is his fault

There is ZERO difference in the situation man.  The ends justify the means.  Just because Carl missed doesn't mean there is a difference.  Joey hit Sellers at 80 at best.  Carl made a move that JJ actually drove to miss at 140. 

[20forLogano]

But he never manned up and apologized directly on the air to Sellers, as he should have.  As far as I know, he never offered to pay for Sellers' car, as he should have.  He also doesn't consistently thank his team on the air-if he thinks the car wasn't good enough (like he ran 6th) he complains instead of the first words thanking his team.  Immature, to say the least.

And I never said I didn't think what Carl did at Kansas wasn't just as bad.  He made the same move, not caring if he took out Jimmie Johnson or not.  It just so happens that he didn't, but I don't think he gave a rodent's behind about the fact that he could have hurt a competitor...adn on THAT track, at THOSE speeds, it is more possible, to be sure.  I do think Logano was slightly stupider for his move at Irwindale, because if a better driver (Carl) couldn't do it in a heavier car, he should have known better.  Logano has a ton of potential, but right now he's his own worst enemy when it comes to putting his foot in his mouth.

Earnhardt would have been a poor man paying for all the cars he wrecked

[Tonyfan14]

There is ZERO difference in the situation man.  The ends justify the means.  Just because Carl missed doesn't mean there is a difference.  Joey hit Sellers at 80 at best.  Carl made a move that JJ actually drove to miss at 140. 

IMO but I think Carl drove it in hard enough knowing that he would clear JJ and hopfully just hit the wall a little bit and not slow down much and stay ahead of JJ.

[20forLogano]

IMO but I think Carl drove it in hard enough knowing that he would clear JJ and hopfully just hit the wall a little bit and not slow down much and stay ahead of JJ.

I may have had some wax in the ears but did I just hear Tony say that Joey did a great job in the first practice, he even followed him for several laps.  And cough, cough, "someone who I think we will draft with tomorrow night!!!"  But Joey is just a punk.  LOL Tonyfan I am just playing but had to say something

[SMOKEN14]

I may have had some wax in the ears but did I just hear Tony say that Joey did a great job in the first practice, he even followed him for several laps.  And cough, cough, "someone who I think we will draft with tomorrow night!!!"  But Joey is just a punk.  LOL Tonyfan I am just playing but had to say something

Hey at least the punk didn't werck anyone      He did a good job for the loose car he had

[Tonyfan14]

I may have had some wax in the ears but did I just hear Tony say that Joey did a great job in the first practice, he even followed him for several laps.  And cough, cough, "someone who I think we will draft with tomorrow night!!!"  But Joey is just a punk.  LOL Tonyfan I am just playing but had to say something

Oh come on. That was PC Tony at his best.





 

[Chris]

IMO but I think Carl drove it in hard enough knowing that he would clear JJ and hopfully just hit the wall a little bit and not slow down much and stay ahead of JJ.

You're right... and anyone that can't see there's a HUGE difference between the two deals has blinders on.
Joey just took out the guy he was racing against..
Carl... he went into the corner too hard 'knowing' it probably wouldn't stick,.. but HE NEVER GOT anywhere CLOSE to hitting JJ.  He cleared him by at mile on the low side,.. and JJ missed him by a bunch when Carl slid into the wall.  JJ wasn't running NEAR the top of the track and was racing a long way away from the outside wall...  SO when Carl hit the wall and slowed down,.. JJ STILL was a big distance away from Edwards.
The two never even got close to touching...

[20forLogano]

You're right... and anyone that can't see there's a HUGE difference between the two deals has blinders on.
Joey just took out the guy he was racing against..
Carl... he went into the corner too hard 'knowing' it probably wouldn't stick,.. but HE NEVER GOT anywhere CLOSE to hitting JJ.  He cleared him by at mile on the low side,.. and JJ missed him by a bunch when Carl slid into the wall.  JJ wasn't running NEAR the top of the track and was racing a long way away from the outside wall...  SO when Carl hit the wall and slowed down,.. JJ STILL was a big distance away from Edwards.
The two never even got close to touching...

ah, blinders, no Chris. I never said I didn't think Joey wasn't going in there balls to the wall and going for the win but the 2 scenario's are exactly the same.  The intent was to do what it took to win regardless of what was at stake.

[20forLogano]

Oh come on. That was PC Tony at his best.





 

LOL.  I actually think Tony was being serious.  He even tried in the 2nd practice to draft with Joey because he knows that 20 car is badfast at plate races.  He drove it for 10 years but that car is WAYYYYYYY too loose in traffic right now plus Joey getting a great education

[FS_Amy]

ah, blinders, no Chris. I never said I didn't think Joey wasn't going in there balls to the wall and going for the win but the 2 scenario's are exactly the same.  The intent was to do what it took to win regardless of what was at stake.

Agreed.  There is no way you can convince me that CArl knew he could both get and stay clear of JJ, because you can't KNOW how another driver is going to react to something or how he is going to drive a section of track on THIS lap.  What makes the two incidents the same is that neither Carl nor Logano cared one way or the other if they wrecked the other guy or not.  The only difference that I can see is that if Edwards HAD taken out Johnson, he probably would had the decency to apologize.  Whether it would have been sincere, I don't know, but he probably would have at least done it.

[Tyyrus]

My two cents...well Mark Martin Past Shootout Race Winner ...not in this years event..rather disappointed ! So I guess the past format was my preference. I will watch
tonights race but not with the same interest !