Anyone But JR

[skool]

Take it easy on them Good Ole Boys ! Quit feedin em that Contraband Canadian Ale ..Eh ! lol .

Well, I cant be too hard on them. I think I am one of them! 

[20forLogano]

Tony14,  i hope you are joking?  Until Nascar decides to take their rules and apply them these drivers will continue to take what they can get.  To think these drivers are going to police themselves is funny.  if the law says 65 on the interstate do you go 65?  Most likely not.  You like most of us go 70 or so.  when we pass a cop they don not pull us over.  Why, because the paperwork and time it takes to do this process is not worth their time (I know this for a fact having a trooper as a friend).  So we continue to break the law.  But if cops all pull us over for going 66 than I am going to make sure I am doing 65.  If Nascar decided to park cars for laps and take their chance away to win if they bump draft in the corners than these drivers would obey.  Drivers are like CC's, unless you dictate the law/rules we are going to do what we can.  Facts are facts and nascar needs to be the dictator.

[Chris]

Very nice thread... I have to say I agree with EVERY Anti_Earnhardt thing that has been said...

I'll add this to what one person posted

Junior has no leg to stand on and if he wants to stand on his podium and condone something, he should be a man and say I screwed up, I wrecked the field.

This goes to show WHY Carl Edwards is considered a class act, and Jr a punk.  
Same thing happened at dega last year when Edwards bumped Biffle and wrecked 1/2 the field.  Edwarsd was the FIRST one to come out and say "I screwed up... totally MY fault"
Here Jr is trying to blame EVERY action that was bad that happened to him.. on someone else.
PLEASE give me a break.. "I was only over the pit line by and inch.. Gee NASCAR should let that go"
Someone please tell me why... because you are the no-driving son a Dale sr..??    I still say by and large if Jr couldn't win on the plate tracks,.. he would only have 11 wins in ten full seasons.  Of course he is the "son" of Dale Sr,.. if Dale Sr hadn't got killed racing, Jr wouldn't have 1/3 of the fans he does...
Maybe it's me.. but if I was Jr I'm not so sure I'd be happy have a majority of my fans like me just because they feel "sorry" for me...
I'd like to think fans like me because I have talent.... SO far I ain't saw it.

[Chris]

Tony14,  i hope you are joking? 

I have to say I agree with Tony14 on this instance...
Problem is this.. If NASCAR DOES say no blocking... it will only give them MORE ways to manipulize the race, and results...
How many times do we see drivers block on EVERY track.. not just the plate tracks...
SO if it then becomes a "judgement" call.. NASCAR will have more room to "help" its drivers not able to win a championship on their own like Jr,.. by penalizing the OTHER drivers.  Many time a guy will try and pass on the outside,.. and the leader will be running low and when they exit the turn he lets his car drift up to the wall... thereby taking away the car attenping to pass line... or in other words NASCAR could call that blocking (even if it was the fastest line or a line the driver had been running all day.)
we see it ALL the time at Atlanta, Lowes, Texas, Richmond, etc etc... 
The more "judgement" calls NASCAR is allowed to make... the worse the sport becomes.  That why we have problems now with so many issues.  NASCAR has the ability to use their "judgement' in to many instances.
Perfect example is Jr wrecking Vickers yesterday.  It was no doubt INTENTIONAL...  but NASCAR closed their eyes, and didn't do anything to Jr.  On Saturday a much more marginal incident happened, and NASCAR parked the guy for 5 laps...
Why,,>>  I guess because his name wasn't Earnhardt

[CodeBlueEMT]

 One more reason for NASCAR to put ALL the lapped cars in the rear of the field on restarts.

 Shayne

[south jersey girl]

One more reason for NASCAR to put ALL the lapped cars in the rear of the field on restarts.

 Shayne

exactly....and if the one lap down cars want to beat and bang on each other fighting for the lucky dog, at least they won't take out cars contending for the lead

[skool]

exactly....and if the one lap down cars want to beat and bang on each other fighting for the lucky dog, at least they won't take out cars contending for the lead

Shayne & sjg....as I posted in the thread about rules changes for the trucks.....

"Hey, if it is ok to START the race double file, why is it NOT OK to do restarts the same way with those on the lead lap?

There is no difference. A restart is just that, a re-START!  It aint rocket science. ESPECIALLY now with the Lucky Dog.  Having the lapped cars up front was a way for them to maybe get their lap back. But the LD makes that a moot point."


Same applies in Cup!

[20forLogano]

I have to say I agree with Tony14 on this instance...
Problem is this.. If NASCAR DOES say no blocking... it will only give them MORE ways to manipulize the race, and results...
How many times do we see drivers block on EVERY track.. not just the plate tracks...
SO if it then becomes a "judgement" call.. NASCAR will have more room to "help" its drivers not able to win a championship on their own like Jr,.. by penalizing the OTHER drivers.  Many time a guy will try and pass on the outside,.. and the leader will be running low and when they exit the turn he lets his car drift up to the wall... thereby taking away the car attenping to pass line... or in other words NASCAR could call that blocking (even if it was the fastest line or a line the driver had been running all day.)
we see it ALL the time at Atlanta, Lowes, Texas, Richmond, etc etc... 
The more "judgement" calls NASCAR is allowed to make... the worse the sport becomes.  That why we have problems now with so many issues.  NASCAR has the ability to use their "judgement' in to many instances.
Perfect example is Jr wrecking Vickers yesterday.  It was no doubt INTENTIONAL...  but NASCAR closed their eyes, and didn't do anything to Jr.  On Saturday a much more marginal incident happened, and NASCAR parked the guy for 5 laps...
Why,,>>  I guess because his name wasn't Earnhardt

That's the thing Chris, this isn't a judgmenbt call, it's a RULE.  You bump draft in the corners, tri-oval or you block you get parked.  Black and White.  you do it we will see you on pit road for your penalty so this isn't Nascar making a judgment call it's Nascar sticking by the rules they go by. 

[Chris]

That's the thing Chris, this isn't a judgmenbt call, it's a RULE.  You bump draft in the corners, tri-oval or you block you get parked.  Black and White.  you do it we will see you on pit road for your penalty so this isn't Nascar making a judgment call it's Nascar sticking by the rules they go by. 

Well what I posted and what yo8u are saying is two different things..
You are talking about the bump drafting rule,... and I am talking about NOT MAKING yet another rule (to do with blocking)
True the bump drafting is a rule... but I also know when they implements that rule they used the older cars (pre-COT) and the bumpers didn't line up at all..
Now with the new COT the front and rear ends were purpose built to match up, and it's possible they are more lenient about bump drafting.
Also even bump drafting is a "judgement" call.  Mike Bliss spun out someone in practice this past week.  He didn't bump him,.. he just drifted up to his rear end and was gonna ease into his rear end.  The problem with that was that it was the CWTS and the bumpers also do not match up there... so instead he spun the guy out.
If you remember at one point NASCAR out-lawed ALL bump drafting - even on the straights.
Yeah I get the point about bump drafting... but the judgement comes in what is a "bump" ... how hard you can bump and if it upsets the car. 
NASCAR could go back to "no bump drafting".. but as you see the "bump drafting" rule is NOW just like a blocking rule would be.  Who it is, and who it helped would be the "judgement" part of it, and they could use it to penalize or help their favorite drivers.
The common sense of this whole discussion IMO is this....
NASCAR is NEVER going to rule across the board fairly for EVERYONE.  They are too pro-Chevy, and pro-Hendrick to do much against those guys.  Simple as that.  Years of watching all this unfold shows how it all works.

[20forLogano]

Well what I posted and what yo8u are saying is two different things..
You are talking about the bump drafting rule,... and I am talking about NOT MAKING yet another rule (to do with blocking)
True the bump drafting is a rule... but I also know when they implements that rule they used the older cars (pre-COT) and the bumpers didn't line up at all..
Now with the new COT the front and rear ends were purpose built to match up, and it's possible they are more lenient about bump drafting.
Also even bump drafting is a "judgement" call.  Mike Bliss spun out someone in practice this past week.  He didn't bump him,.. he just drifted up to his rear end and was gonna ease into his rear end.  The problem with that was that it was the CWTS and the bumpers also do not match up there... so instead he spun the guy out.
If you remember at one point NASCAR out-lawed ALL bump drafting - even on the straights.
Yeah I get the point about bump drafting... but the judgement comes in what is a "bump" ... how hard you can bump and if it upsets the car. 
NASCAR could go back to "no bump drafting".. but as you see the "bump drafting" rule is NOW just like a blocking rule would be.  Who it is, and who it helped would be the "judgement" part of it, and they could use it to penalize or help their favorite drivers.
The common sense of this whole discussion IMO is this....
NASCAR is NEVER going to rule across the board fairly for EVERYONE.  They are too pro-Chevy, and pro-Hendrick to do much against those guys.  Simple as that.  Years of watching all this unfold shows how it all works.

Bump drafting in the corners is where this post started and that is where I am at.  I have no issue with bump drafting on a straightaway because the cars do line up and it makes a nice run to the front (a la Kensenth).  But in the turns where it is a rule and it still happens is where this issue truly lies and that is where there is no judgement.  You do it come along to pit road and get your penalty.

[Kalani]

I agree with everything you are saying Chris!  IMO Jr is overrated and hasn't lived up to his expectations at all.  Now he is in the best equipment and he still can't seem to get it done.  I used to be a somewhat Jr fan, but after last night and all his whining and pointing the finger I'm not so sure anymore.  Carl screwed up and he took all the blame and national tv, Jr screws up (1 lap down) and blames it on everyone else.  Give me a freakin break Jr!!  He blamed him missing his pit stall on the fact that everyones pit signs were pink like his?  Guess what Jr, if they were all the same then why in the heck didn't they miss their pit stalls?  Is Jr color blind??  I just have one more thing to say..............Jr's Gay!!!   LOL         Sorry, I had to say it

[SMOKEN14]

Very nice thread... I have to say I agree with EVERY Anti_Earnhardt thing that has been said...

I'll add this to what one person postedThis goes to show WHY Carl Edwards is considered a class act, and Jr a punk. 
Same thing happened at dega last year when Edwards bumped Biffle and wrecked 1/2 the field.  Edwarsd was the FIRST one to come out and say "I screwed up... totally MY fault"

I was never an Edwards fan till that day. he manned up and took the blame for his mistake. ever since then I have liked Carl. maybe JR would gain some respect from both fans and drivers if he quit with the poor me bull**** 

[Blu]

Another reason why Dale Jr. fans hate Kyle Busch.

Kyle is more like Sr. than Jr. will ever be.

And THAT is why im now a Kyle Busch fan!

[Blu]

No offense to my dear Freinds who are Jr. fans, but...IMHO it looked to me like Jr . ran that whole race dirty. I was watching him pretty closely and there were MANY questionable actions in that race.

Looks like the "Hendrick " way rubbed oiff on him.   Like most of the HMS drivers he now feels he's the only one that deserves to be on the track and everyone else should just move on over, or follow him.

How dare anyone challenge an HMS car! Sickening

At least Mark wont buy into that BS...I hope anyways,but honestly, I cant see it.