Mayfield at Daytona

[DougS]

I haven't taken a personal side in this. But I do believe that NASCAR has a department of Attorney's working more hours than a crew chief.

I also believe that this is going to come down to what the law says. I believe that's going to force NASCAR to make significant changes. I also believe that in the long run it's not going to protect Jeremy. Also by the time they get around to damages it's going to be a long while.

[smyler]

JM will never recover.  Bummer if he is innocent, busted if he isn't.  I'd like to think it's all fabrication.  Even if he is innocent he should have kept his mouth shut about his mother in-law.  He looked catty there.  That was best left for the court. 

[KurtBuschFan]

Well Chris that was kinda my thinking also and IMO this judge isn't going to let Nascar come in and try to run the show like I'm sure they want to.

I also agree with KBF. I should never have passed judgment on Mayfield until everything was laid out on the table. The bad part sbout it is the I said I wasn't going to do that but I did anyway and that was bad on my part. For some reason when I watched his interview it changed my whole outlook on this because I kept thinking, Who in their right mind when go on TV and say some of the things he said about Nascar or anyone for that matter. I think the key thing was when Nascar brought his step-mom into this and thinking why would they (Nascar) need to do something like that? If they had proof they wouldn't need anything else especially here-say. I have a feeling Nascar is going to be apologizing to Mayfield when this all over.

Don't bee too hard on yourself Flame.  With all the oversaturation of this in the media, it's very easy to get swayed one way or the other simply by reading the stuff that's out there.  Like I said before, when all of this first came out, something in my gut screamed there is no way Jeremy is a meth addict.  And though I've seen many many different things on this case, my feeling has become more and more solid as more details have emerged.  I'll be interested in seeing the documentary that Mayfield briefly talked about in his interview because I'm sure it'll show more than we've already heard.

[scott b]

Interesting that some people who were on the fence are drifting toward JM's side.  I find the more he talks, the more he sounds guilty.

JM seems to have a new angle to his story every week.  The test was a false positive due to a perscription drug interaction, the test was flawed due to the processing, the test was intentionally spiked because NASCAR is out to get him, his stepmom is also out to get him and is in on the conspiracy, yada yada yada.  It gets more complicated each week.

If there was nothing to raise a red flag in the original test, none of the excuses concerning Adderall, Claratin, or inhaling smoke due to the in-car fire a few weeks earlier would have been needed.

And missing from all the conspiracy theories is any logical motivation for framing an innocent driver.  A drug scandal does not help NASCAR's image, even if Mayfield had gone quietly to rehab. A show of power was not needed.  NASCAR has already proven the have the power the banish a driver for substance abuse... ask Shane Hmiel.

[Yatesguy]

 

[flamehothead]

Thank's KBF lol.

For some reason when I watched that interview it just made me stop and think. Sure they can do editing to the video they say they have but a drug test has to have a date, time, what lab, and what he tested pos/neg for printed on it That's why I'm going to wait until a judge say's, Guilty or Inocent before I make my own judgement.

[KurtBuschFan]

I'm still sticking with my gut feeling.  I now feel like my gut feeling has been right all along.  I read some things tonight that have completely killed his stepmothers credibility in my eyes and for that matter the credibility of NASCAR.  In "Did You Notice" today, Tom talked about what Tim Richmond went through when his drug test results were tainted and the fact that the Dr who had done it was fired by NASCAR.  That was the first I had actually learned about it because I had never taken the time to find out before (and I wasn't a fan on NASCAR at the time).  It's worth the read if you've got the time.

http://www.frontstretch.com/tbowles/26138/

[Tonyfan14]

Interesting that some people who were on the fence are drifting toward JM's side.  I find the more he talks, the more he sounds guilty.

JM seems to have a new angle to his story every week.  The test was a false positive due to a perscription drug interaction, the test was flawed due to the processing, the test was intentionally spiked because NASCAR is out to get him, his stepmom is also out to get him and is in on the conspiracy, yada yada yada.  It gets more complicated each week.

If there was nothing to raise a red flag in the original test, none of the excuses concerning Adderall, Claratin, or inhaling smoke due to the in-car fire a few weeks earlier would have been needed.

And missing from all the conspiracy theories is any logical motivation for framing an innocent driver.  A drug scandal does not help NASCAR's image, even if Mayfield had gone quietly to rehab. A show of power was not needed.  NASCAR has already proven the have the power the banish a driver for substance abuse... ask Shane Hmiel.

I agree 100%.

That is why I have been on NASCAR's side since day one with this. There was no reason for NASCAR to fake the first drug test or to lie about it. All it did was hurt NASCAR's image.

The more Jeremy talks the more he looks guilty.

[KurtBuschFan]

Shane Hmiel was a different situation completely.  He failed multiple times and didn't have independent tests on the SAME DAY show negative results.  The good thing for Shane Hmiel is that he has turned his life around and is back to racing.

[flamehothead]

This is why I would rather sit on the fence rather than pick one side or the other lol.

The thing the has me leaning towards the Mayfield side of the fence is the Judge's decision to let him race. First of all I don't know ANY judge that is going to put his reputation or his on the line for a true Meth addict. Second, IMO the reason he overturned the decision to let him race was he seen something in one of the drug test that made him suspicious or he seen that it wasn't going to stick in the court system.

This is why I lean towards Nascar's side of the fence.

Let's say Mayfield was using Meth a couple of days prior to the first test and when Nascar got the results back there were only trace amounts of the drug. Now that Mayfield knows the test may come back Pos he stops using all together. Nascar takes it to court and the judge see's the trace amount and believes the Prescription/OTC story because any true drug addict would have more than just a trace amount in his system. Thats when the judge overturns the decision to let him race.

So now Nascar decides to give Mayfield a random test (In July) because they think, Well of course he will still be using but instead they get a Neg test and they know what would happen if they came out and said, Mayfield's test was Neg and we were wrong. Nobody is going to believe that an addict is going to go from a Trace amount to Nothing at all in their system. Not only that but if Mayfield was a true addict and he was using all the time then how would he know when they were going to test him?  The only option Nascar has because they are not going to admit they were wrong is to fix the test. Now of course that's just a theory because none of us really know whats going on. We do know it is possible to fix a drug test but the question is, Would Nascar do something like that???

[Chris]

So now Nascar decides to give Mayfield a random test (In July) because they think, Well of course he will still be using but instead they get a Neg test and they know what would happen if they came out and said, Mayfield's test was Neg and we were wrong. Nobody is going to believe that an addict is going to go from a Trace amount to Nothing at all in their system. Not only that but if Mayfield was a true addict and he was using all the time then how would he know when they were going to test him?  The only option Nascar has because they are not going to admit they were wrong is to fix the test. Now of course that's just a theory because none of us really know whats going on. We do know it is possible to fix a drug test but the question is, Would Nascar do something like that???

Right on FHH
Gotta remember NASCAR has been in exsistence for just over 50 years now...
ALL along it has been "their show"... their way or the highway.  There are THREE things that all their thoughts and actions are based upon.
1) never make them look bad (even when they are wrong)....
2) they are NEVER wrong..  (just ask them)
3) they answer to NO ONE but themselves, and their own 'laws' (rules).  Remember the NASCAR lawyer telling the Judge in this very case.  "The governing body (NASCAR) is a private company that does not need to follow the federal guidelines."

As far as NASCAR fixing a blood test... well ABSOLUTELY.  Somewhere along the line they have the idea Mayfield is using drugs (or just as likely - he has done something BEHIND the scenes that angered the NASCAR officials, and this is their "payback")
And now that they have accussed Mayfield and even went so far as to suspend him for it... that is the trail they have started down, and they have NO choice to follow that path, (jusd to try and show they are still in control)... even if they have to alter test results to prove they are right.

As BB Stated in a previous post.
NASCAR stated the FIRST test was positive.
But even thought they ILLEGALLY tested the second sample without his prior consent,.. it had a broken seal, and with the seal being broken, that shows it could have been tampered with.. so no reputable lab would even test the sample in the first place.. The results would be invalid.
ONLY a group with an axe to grind would go ahead and tell a place to test a sample even though it had been opened... (especially if NASCAR was the one that opened it)
Remember... in NASCAR (as old HH used to ALWAYS say) always follow the money trail.  This testing lab would do anything that NASCAR told them to IMO.  Very easy for NASCAR to take their business elsewhere, or it wouldn't surprise me if they got some 'extra' under the table to get results they want... that even includes turning positives into negatives (what would happen if they caught some of their "stars" using).   Have to keep that under wraps.
NOw that they have set the 'precedent" with a few drivers,... can you imagine if a star got caught.  Would they want to suspend him, and lose one of their 'cash cows'.  Wouldn't happen.  They might bring him in and give him a "good talking to" but it would be behind closed doors and no one would ever know.
IMO the whole testing procedure is done wrong anyway.
It's fine to test the drivers,.. but the RESULTS should be released to back to a 'group'.  Their fellow drivers, media, etc.  That way when results are posted,.. NASCAR doens't have a curtain to hide behind.

It just hit me... Maybe we should call Brian F "The Wizard of Oz".  All of you know the story, but when it was all revealed at the end the  "All mighty, All knowing Wizard" was nothing but a pathetic little man, who did everything behind curtins so no one else knew the REAL truth, and it was all smoke and mirrors.

[skool]

Shane Hmiel was a different situation completely.  He failed multiple times and didn't have independent tests on the SAME DAY show negative results.  The good thing for Shane Hmiel is that he has turned his life around and is back to racing.

I don't care if he has turned it around or not, IMO he was and still is a flaming moron. Flipping off Dale Jarrett on national tv after wrecking him at Bristol shows you his true character

[DougS]

Well the 4th circut court of appeals today issued a stay, there by over turning the injunction allowing Jeremy Mayfield to compete. This does not settle any matter of the orginal suit but does allow NASCAR to prevent Jeremy Mayfield from being at any NASCAR sanctioned event.

[Tyyrus]

As the Worm Churns lol !