How to lose fans and influence alienation

[DougS]

It's a possibility. The engine and speed would have to be close before switching to ignition box "c". Then during the pit they would have to go back to the primary car to launch and then go back to box "c" until crossing the stripe at the end of pit road. With the gear rule I don't think the car would get out of the pits on a "c" box, it would stall.

[Tonyfan14]

IMO but it is fine how it is. Pit road speed just adds another element to the race.

[20forLogano]

Well it sure looks to me like Nascar is trying their damnedest to make sure the 48 makes it 4 championships in a row

Hmmm, sounds about right to me. 

[20forLogano]

And why would it be a fix?

Just like Nascar trying to make Jeremy the red-headed step child. 

[Tonyfan14]

Just like Nascar trying to make Jeremy the red-headed step child. 

Not sure what Jeremy has to do with Indy but I'm just wondering why NASCAR would fix it for the 48 to win. Juan winning would have made a better story then JJ winning. 

[falcon325]

I honestly don't see where any "officiating fiasco" took place.
Now I'm not a big fan of MUCH of what NASCAR does,.. but I'm not going to go trashing them when they do something RIGHT.
They have rules in place for just such an incident (like when a car stops or slows).  They followed their own rules to the letter.  No one really has ANY room to complain about what happened with the lineup.
Even if the pace car DID come out too soon (lets just say for arguments sake he DID come out on his own)... then IMO it's easy to see it was a rookie mistake.
Here you have a guy up leading thats never lead a NASCAR race before,.. the yellow comes on, and the pace car pops out.  His first thought to to NOT pass the pace car.  Sure that what the general rule is... but when you are almost PAST the pace car when it comes out, you are NOT just supposed to slam on your beaks and stop.  You pass the pace car, then slow down and let him back by you.
What if he was leading at Dega, and did something like that.  He'd have a 20 car pileup because he stopped and no one else would know that he was going to, or even why.
The more I consider it, the kid made his own mess.... it's too bad, but he did it to himself.
Just a rookie error

No.  Not just a rookie error. 

A clear example of how little faith the competitors have in the consistency and fairness of the sanctioning body.  That kid had no reason whatsoever to trust NA$CAR not to screw him if he passed the pace car.  So he locked 'em down.

And look what they did to the 66 car.  What did he do wrong?

Do you seriously think for one moment that if the 48 and the 14 spun each other out scrubbing tires while running 1-2 that the Daytona Beach mafia wouldn't wink and giggle?  Or if it had been the 88 and not the 66 in second, we'd be hearing that your position is frozen with the caution?

Your explanation is interesting, Chris, but it begs questions.  If that's what happened, why no prompt explanation from the trailer?  And, more broadly, why no published rule book, available to competitor and fan alike?  The answers are (1) NA$CAR answers to no one and (2) NA$CAR wants to make its rules on the fly, so it can influence the "show."

Finally, consider the Mayfield fiasco.  Would YOU trust Darby, Helton and The Brian to treat you fairly if your livelihood was on the line?

[skool]

  And, more broadly, why no published rule book, available to competitor and fan alike?  The answers are (1) NA$CAR answers to no one and (2) NA$CAR wants to make its rules on the fly, so it can influence the "show."

There IS a published rule book and teams and competitors DO get them.  Last Copy I seen was over 100 pages long.

[smyler]

Two days later and I'm still amazed at NASCAR putting the 2 cars leading the race back several spots.  I thought I might feel different after a couple of days.  As to JPM, I have to admit I wondered if it was NASCAR's goof or his but I'm going to give NASCAR the benefit of the doubt on this one.  I have to say that if I was on the verge of winning this one and knew that I was better than everyone else I'd use some caution when it came to my speed.

I'm sorry for bad mouthing NA$CAR but the Busch, er... Nationwide race just bugged me.  Speaking of changing sponsorships... too bad about Allstate/Indy split.

[flamehothead]

THIS RACE WAS NOT FIXED FOR JOHNSON TO WIN.

The only way I could even possibly see that happening is if Johnson was in 2nd place and had a 5 second lead on Martin that way they could penalize JPM and hand it to Johnson. OR if they threw one of their "DEBRIS" cautions knowing JPM would come down pit road then nab him for speeding.

Even then Nascar still had no idea the last caution was going to come out unless you want believe that Nascar had a remote that was linked to Dale Jr's engine and when Johnson got into position they would hit the switch and blow his engine up lol.

All joking aside, I mean anything could have happened on the re-start and taken out the top 10 cars. For Nascar to be able to fix that race they would honestly HAVE to have and Engine Blowing Remote to pull it off.

IMO that was about the furthest thing from a fixed race that I have EVER seen.

[20forLogano]

How about Juniors interview when he says Nascar is going to throw another caution?  Knowing the race was boring even the most popular driver knows Nascar can fixes races.

[20forLogano]

Not sure what Jeremy has to do with Indy but I'm just wondering why NASCAR would fix it for the 48 to win. Juan winning would have made a better story then JJ winning. 

What is meant TF14 was Nascar can fix what they want and Jeremy is slap darn in the middle of a fixing.  That's all

[Chris]

I was thinking about that this morning when filling out my NASCAR fan council survey about the racing this weekend. How many times have people ingored the threat of workplace violence "because it was only a reaction" to something bad. JPM should be suspended immediately until and investigation and mental / violence capacity assesments are performed and a path through anger managment and stress recognition classes are performed. The threat of violence should never be taken lightly in the wake of such tragadies as Cloumbine and VT.

I think everyone is getting all wound up over nothing.  You have to remember what is said over a TEAM radio is "not" necessarily intended for the publics ears.  Drivers have NO way of knowing when they are being monitored.  Also, I am SURE there have been MUCH SORSE things said about NASCAR or TO NASCAR by a drivers or crew chief during the races,... we just never HEARD them.
I know I heard some "interesting" commenst made  (by other spotters) when I was Spotting for the CWTS team.  I say it's a whole lot to do about nothing.

[DougS]

Truthfully I didn't expect NASCAR to do anything and they didn't dissapoint. Realistcally should be be punished, no. It's not like he running with Brazialina drug runners that carry weapons against our laws. I'm sure someone has taken him to the side this week and had a private moment to remind him about radio conduct.