Hard to believe...

[Blu]

as I didnt think it could get any worse BUT, my opinion of Jeffie Boy Gordon has hit an all time low after the Cup race.

I never really have liked the pompous little..err..guy,or HMS, but his comments about Scott Riggs after the race were completely unecassary and uncalled for.

We saw Gordhead talking to Riggs after the race and then Jeffie turning away and smiling, and shakng his head , (prolly rolled his eyes too) like "Who the He*& are YOU talking to ME about racing??"

Then, when asked about what was said, He admits holding Riggs up (like he always does) ,  and then comments on how HE knew how to "move people out of the way" (like we didnt know THAT??) and basically some comment about  Riggs being a rookie, etc.
I dunno..I just got the impresion that Jeffie was  being a little more than his  usual arrogant, "Im better (in his own mind anyways) than everyone else and you better not mess with me cause Im JEFF GORDON "  little self.

Im SICK of his attitude!! Riggs showed a LOT of patience and ran him VERY clean, there was absolutely NO reason to belittle him or make him look bad.

When Riggs was asked about what was said, he said he just told Gordhead "Good race". Nice polite answer, not demeaning , ranting, complaining or beliitling.

It just appears to me that Gordhead is WAAAY to big for his britches (I swear his head is getting bigger every dang week), an arrogant, self important, thinks his crap dont stink , can do no wrong, whinny, little butt wipe personally.

His attitude portrays that  he   thinks he's WAAY above ANY other driver, DESERVES (and gets) special treatment, handled with kid gloves when NASCAR does do anything, expects (NO..almost demands) that drivers show him respect and move over, (even asking NASCAR to tell them to move over) ,NEVER moves over for ANYONE, but expects others to move out of HIS way  because he's JEFF GORDON,thinks he's the face and voice of NASCAR (and NASCAR sure does pimp him as that IMO), and Id just LOOOVE to see someone knock him off his self proclaimed pedestal of pure, self important, better than thou BS!!

I cant stand people like that myself, and I CAN'T STAND GORDHEAD!!    

I LOVE seeing him blow up , run bad, or crash (even though I still wouildnt wish him hurt) and no matter who wins Im happy. Little... punk.... grr.
 I suspect it must just kill him to see some of these new guys looking better then "gasp"  HIM!! Better watch your mirror Jeffie..you AIN'T all THAT!! And.... I cant wait to see ya fall!







 There...I feel better now...

[smyler]

Your post is truly one of the funniest bits I have ever read.   I have nothing against Scott.  I would not have even had an issue if Scott had "rattled his cage" if Jeff didn't move aside.

Are you telling me that if you were a driver that you would ALWAYS let anyone who wanted to pass you just go by without trying some blocking?  Part of racing is blocking.  These guys are trying to protect their spots.  You may have heard, you get more points for 4th than you do for 5th.  Shame on you if you were a fan of 3 and yet you say these things.  I saw him block people at least 100 times.  Insert the name of whoever you root for, everyone blocks.  Keep in mind, that Jeff DID let him pass.

Also, Jeff did lead some laps.  Scott didn't.  Scott may go on to win a few races.  He seems like a nice guy, but Jeff had the better car until the end of the race here.  Just like Jeff Burton had the better car until the end.

I say now as I'll probably say again, I really don't understand why so many people dislike Jeff.  You say whine, but I saw no whining at all.  In your view, anything negative is a whine, even if it is a statement of fact or an observation.  Is there anything at all that Jeff could have said that you would not have found issue with?

Why can't you simply appreciate the skills of all of the various contenders?  Does everyone other than your favorite driver have to be considered evil?  I think it would be cool if for just one season Jeff decided to drive like Earnhardt did.  All of you haters of Jeff would hate him even worse for winning even more races.  I don't think he'd win less than eight races in a season if he took on Earnhardt tactics. 

There are at least a dozen guys out there with championship potential skills and equipment.  Why can't we just enjoy the competition instead of villianizing people?  I don't mean for this to be personal, I'm just frustrated that people are always so hateful and I honestly don't understand it.

[Tonyfan14]

I was waiting for Riggs to just dump Jeff but lucky for Jeff, Riggs is a class act and wont do that.  As for Jeff comments after the race. They didn't surprise me. Those were typical Jeff Gordon comments.

[Blu]

Your post is truly one of the funniest bits I have ever read.   I have nothing against Scott.  I would not have even had an issue if Scott had "rattled his cage" if Jeff didn't move aside.

Uh huh..then YOU would be the exception of Gordon fans. The majority of whom seem to blindly support him as being incapable of ever screwing up or doing wrong in their eyes IMO.

Are you telling me that if you were a driver that you would ALWAYS let anyone who wanted to pass you just go by without trying some blocking? 

Absolutely not..where in the world did you ever get that idea??  What Im saying and my point is this... HE expects others to do exactly that!! Even to the pont of asking his crew to have NASCAR tell them to move over.
I would however (especially after it was clear that someone behind me, was obvoiusly faster and all over my bumper) let them get by me (by merely seeing if they COULD pass me if given the opportunity) in order to not loose anymore positons by allowing others to catch up to us as we were racing side by side or blocking each other.
 Remember, Gordon saying they were "Big Picture racing??" Not too smart to let the guys behind Riggs catch up to you by worrying about him getting past me, and maybe losiing even more positions.

If its the last lap all bets are off and Ill block the snot outta ya!!All Im saying is that Jeffie boy needs to expect the same thing and not whine about how someone was blocking HIM! My view is that it truly seems his reasoning is that it's OK for him to do it (blocking).but..its NOT OK for others to do that to him.


 Part of racing is blocking. 

Couldnt agree more! Just dont whine when it's YOU being blocked is my point. Jeffies quite good at that IMO


These guys are trying to protect their spots.  You may have heard, you get more points for 4th than you do for 5th. 

Thanks for clarifying that I woulda never guessed 



 Shame on you if you were a fan of 3 and yet you say these things.  I saw him block people at least 100 times.  Insert the name of whoever you root for, everyone blocks.  Keep in mind, that Jeff DID let him pass.

Im NOT arguing that fact that he  let him pass, Im NOT arguing the fact that blocking is part of the game. What peeved me off was Jeffies comments and demeanor afterwords to Riggs and the TV guys. Maybe Im hyper sensitive when it comes to Gordhead but I hear HIM crying about being blocked, punted, raced hard, etc ALL the time! Seems VERY hypocritcal to see him basically telling others to not get worked up by it and too expect it when HE cant seem to do that very thing himself.
 And BTW , I was a longtime fan of Sr., and now Jr.., I seem to recall Sr. saying "It was justa racing deal" a LOT when it came to this happening to him. Dale  gave as good as he got..but he didnt whine about it when he got the worst end of the stick or the situation was reversed. You may say "Yes he did" I say, Not NEARLY as much as Jeffie does  if thats your opinion.



Also, Jeff did lead some laps.  Scott didn't.  Scott may go on to win a few races.  He seems like a nice guy, but Jeff had the better car until the end of the race here.  Just like Jeff Burton had the better car until the end.

And this means what??? It OBVIOUSLY wasnt better at that time IF Riggs was all over him.



I say now as I'll probably say again, I really don't understand why so many people dislike Jeff.  You say whine, but I saw no whining at all.  In your view, anything negative is a whine, even if it is a statement of fact or an observation.

I think I stated very well all the things I dislike about JG and why.I am entitled to those opinions just as you are yours.
You saw/heard nothing..I did.You like JG...I dont.You see him one way..I another.You see fact..I see BS.
I dont like him, its nothing personal against you, but I can choose NOT to like someone and Ive merely stated my reasons.

  Is there anything at all that Jeff could have said that you would not have found issue with?

YES!! He could have said somehting like Riggs said and just let it go. My point was that it was "uncouth" (THANKS, Jr.! ) , in other words, unecessary and in very poor taste.



Why can't you simply appreciate the skills of all of the various contenders? 

I can, and do...with everyone except Gordhead. Again...I just dont like him! And, things like his words Sat. night dont help. Personally, I think Mark Martin is the clasiest driver.... EVER.



 Does everyone other than your favorite driver have to be considered evil? 

Nope ,no others are...just JG!  (And I dont really consider him evil..I just DONT like HIM!)



 I think it would be cool if for just one season Jeff decided to drive like Earnhardt did.  All of you haters of Jeff would hate him even worse for winning even more races.  I don't think he'd win less than eight races in a season if he took on Earnhardt tactics. 

Yeah ...He wishes he could  drive like Sr.If he tried to do even half the things the Intimidator did with a car, he'd be having his post race interview... VERY early.



There are at least a dozen guys out there with championship potential skills and equipment.

Oh  bud, I truly agree with you there.The ONE I dont like is the one who IMO sees himself as better than them.

 

 Why can't we just enjoy the competition instead of villianizing people?  I don't mean for this to be personal, I'm just frustrated that people are always so hateful and I honestly don't understand it.

Bud, look..it's nothing personal against you either and I TRULY mean that. 
I just dont like JG and Ive said my piece. I needed to vent I guess. Again..I wish Gordon no personal harm (THAT'S real HATE)... I just cant stand him.

[creative_rajiv]

Jeff is a cry baby  ....biggest whiner ...just need some cheese duringhis interviews to go with his whine. Riggs definitely had a faster car in the waning laps and Jeff clearly held him up for good 20 laps. Had the positions been reversed, Jeff would have punted Riggs for that position. Jeff made those comments in poor taste to demean Riggs's effort. He can dish it out to someone but cannot take it when someone tries to lay a bumper on him. That goes to show his class. Had Riggs been little impatient and had made a wrong move, Jeff would have finished 30th or worse. Hats off to Riggs for racing him clean and showing him respect although I am not sure he'll do the same after his (Jeff's) post race comments. I wish Robby Gordon was there instead of Riggs. 

[Blu]

I was waiting for Riggs to just dump Jeff but lucky for Jeff, Riggs is a class act and wont do that.  As for Jeff comments after the race. They didn't surprise me. Those were typical Jeff Gordon comments.

I undesrtand that!! I guess it just got my dander up. 
The straw that broike the camels back?? I guess that was it LOL

[smyler]

There are few drivers that any of us could root for that we could be 100% uncritical of.  Come to think of it, maybe I'm wrong.  Bobby, Terry, Jeff Burton... I can't recall them ever saying anything embarrassing. 

The thing that cheeses me is the double standard that most fans have.  To say that Dale gave as good as he got is just not true.  Dale gave 5 X as much as he got.  Talk to Bill Elliott sometime.  I don't mean this in a crass way, but if he was as classy as his son is I would probably have been a fan.  Instead, and here is the funny part of this whole conversation, you have Terry and Dale at Bristol.  Dale punts him on 2 different occasions and 3 fans think it is great, but if Jeff does the same thing to Matt at Chicago or Rusty right there at Bristol, then Jeff is the bad guy.  Tell me why it is more fair to do it if your car is numbered 3 than it is if it is numbered 24?

People got mad at Jeff for showing temper when Matt came into his pit after the race in March.  They accuse him of being pansy because he didn't get his helmet off in time.  Well, it was a heat of the moment deal.  Matt even said he should have waited some time before talking to him.  Did you get mad at Jimmy Spencer for belting Busch?  Heck no, we were all as happy as Independence day when that happened, lol.

There is no winning this argument with most Jeff haters because it is like talking religion.  People let their emotion get in the way of logic.  I'm just saying if it is ok for 3 why not 24 or 48 or 16 or 17 or whoever?

I hope Chris responds on here. 

I have listened to enough radio at races to know that the drivers ask NASCAR for lots of things during the race.  I bet it isn't uncommon for anyone who gets held back for them to ask the other team to let them by.  After all, you may be the slow guy next time.

There are rules against slower cars holding back faster cars for too long.  They give them a black flag.  I have to admit I have not seen it enforced in years though.  You watched this race and you saw that Jeff did let other drivers go past him. 

In any case, Riggs finished as high as he could have.  He certainly didn't have anything for Kyle Busch (whom I am not a fan of).  Maybe what Jeff said was a bit arrogant but it certainly wasn't whiny.  I saw the interview twice.  Once right after the race and again on Wind Tunnel last night.  Just so I know, what is it Jeff whined about?  I'm not being sarcastic.  I just don't see where it could be called that.

[paulfan]

Come on Blu, stop sugarcoating it and tell us what you really think .  LOL

[Chris]

hhuummm
well as you all know.... I'm not a fan of anyone.
I saw the race on Sunday... spent Saturday night with my girlfriend, and watched it on tape.
I see what Blu is talking about.  Since Riggs run Gordon so clean,... I thought Gordon SHOULD have said something NICE about Riggs and say how he appreciated the good CLEAN racing,.. and how if Riggs had dumped him he could have ended up 30th."
After all it is RIGGS teammate who is in 11th,.. and would be GREAT (for Kahne) if Gordon ended up way down in the finish order and let Kahne catch up 100 points because Gordon was so stubborn.
Wouldn't have took but a word (the right 'hint") for Riggs to DUMP Gordon with just a lap or two to go,... and Kahne would have been the one that benefited from it.

I kinda tend to agree,.. Jeff isn't "Locked" into the chase yet... and SHOULD have been racing a LOT smarter.  True 4th does give more points than 5th.  But 5th gives WAY WAY more points than 30th.
SO I think as slow as he was the last several laps he should be REAL glad Riggs didn't dump him,... then to go and bad mouth Riggs I think was kinda assinine on Gordon part.
From what I saw Gordon didn't "let" Riggs by.  Riggs got into Gordons LR corner and loosened him up going into the corner and PASSED him.  It wasn't like Gordon GAVE him anything.

On the other hand,.. I don't think Gordon is a bad guy.  He's a good racer, and has a lot of talent.  But I think he is bitter that he won so much at a young age,.. and now the competition has steppped it up a notch and he hasn't been able to keep up.  Even his teammate (the car he owns) runs circles around him pretty much year in and year out.
SO I think thats got to be wearing on him to be THAT good and dominant "early"... and for wins to be SO hard to come by now.

[Busch Babe 899]

Gordon had no reason to be peeved, and should have just shook Scott's hand and said "Good Race"...he didn't move aside for him, and Scotts car wasn't strong enough to get by him, short of using the bumper, which he chose not to do. I applaud Scott for that, and Jeer Jeffy for putting Scott down. That was just uncool, and a prime example of why I don't like him.

But Jeff's not the only one who does that...Tony's getting that way, too (still to this day has not apologized to Carl for accidentally wrecking him while trying to teach a Clint a lesson for a perceived slight... ) spouting off about how the young guys don't know how racing should be done, that they should be giving the veterans, like Jeff and Tony, more space...and how THE YOUNG GUNS all drive too aggressively...talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!! And Tony is one of my favorite drivers...I just don't like him when he gets like that.

[Blu]

Come on Blu, stop sugarcoating it and tell us what you really think .  LOL

BWAAA HAA!!! I R a Baaad Boy!LOLOLOL

I sure do feel better though

This deal here just pushed my buttons and I came out kinda swinging didnt I?LOL

That German-Irish in me comes roaring thru my normally calm, live and let live,  red headed (well..it used to be),demeanor sometimes when Im pushed enough and when I finally do get mad...I get REALLY mad...I cant he'p it. Way to go Grampa's!!

I guess...truthfully....I just DON"T LIKE JEFFIE!!

Did anyone get that from my post?? Maybe I wasnt too clear??..

Sigh...Maybe Id better be nice..r..Let me try this...



GO Jeffie GO....



















AWAY!

Ohh...and Jeffie...May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits




Darn...I just cant do it when it comes to him

[Righty817]

Some of the isssue here is that if Sr. dumped somebody he would say in his interview thats good hard racing and if somebody dumped him he would still say thats good hard racing and say how much fun he had in the race even if he was dumped he would never say how'd he dare hit me there or what was he thinking hitting me. JG dumps somebody he says how the guy let off or the guy checked up or he got loose. It.s never JG fault. The bad thing now days is that ppl think they are bigger then the sport (this also means football,basketball,all pro sports) they don't understand that the sport made them, they didn't make the sport. Very seldom now days is it's the players fault it's always somebody else fault and i think thats bullsh*t!!!!! If u screwed up admit u screwed up.

[smyler]

I have to admit this sure ain't the world we grew up in.  If you are over 40, you probably had parents who disciplined you.  Nowadays, many people have no respect for others.  It's not universally true, of course.  Jeff has definitely changed over the past 5 years.  He used to care soooo much about his reputation as a nice guy, but now I can see what you guys are saying.  Honestly, I have noticed a change towards "me-ism" with him.  Maybe it was losing half of his stuff to Brooke that changed him.  Whatever it is, I think he is still primarily a good, talented racer and person, but he has allowed some selfishness and self importance to seep in to who he has become.

If one asks the question, if I were a billionaire and I was starting a team and could only choose three drivers, would Jeff be one of them... I know he'd be first on my list, Tony second and perhaps Jimmy or Greg third.  Talent, personality and the drive to win.  That's what it's all about in modern Cup racing. 

[Dustcloud]

I dunno... I thought it was about money, face and who you know... and maybe a little talent.

But I don't suppose I can be upset with Gordon. He's not the only one who does it, as BB6 said. Heck, most of them do so once they have achieved "success" in Cup. Heck, I'd put Johnson up for that offense way sooner than Gordon. It's sadly becoming a byproduct of success to assume that everyone MUST race you as you want to be raced, regardless of how you race them, and to take it for granted when someone does as Riggs did instead of plowiong right through you. but I don't think it's just a product of time - a lot of the younger kids in racing seem more respectful of their fellow drivers than older ones. :-/

[Racergiant]

Hey Blu - now you can see exactly why J. Gordon's teammate is J. Johnson...   They both act/talk/behave/race/interview the same way...