NSCS Spoiler coming back and replacing the wing.

[DougS]

After Elliot Saddler's interview on sirius yesterday he stated that in a meeting with RPM and NASCAR @ the NASCAR R&D center that NASCAR is looking at re-designing the roof flaps and rear window to keep the COT on the the ground.

Today listening it seems like there has been some announcment that the spoiler will be coming back. They were getting ready to interview Ray Everham about how a spoiler would affect the COT and changing the downforce on the car.

Ofcourse lots' of people started calling in and saying NASCAR had to do something to help Dale Jr.....

My exit question is, if Jimmy Johnson wins a 5th title in a thrid different designed car will people finally give him the credit he deserves?

[20forLogano]

Well, take what Nascar says with a grain of salt.  They said the COT was going to bring back better racing, the slingshot pass, etc and look what we have.  I will wait and see if in fact it makes for better racing. 
As for JJ, the answer to your question is no, most people will never give him credit.  Only certain sports figures in history gain the respect of 95% of fans such as Senior, Tiger (which could be swaying these days ), etc and JJ I don't see gaining this status.  Unfortunately for him because IMO he will go down as one of the 5 best ever to pilot a car.

[Tyyrus]

On a whole I think the Racing has improved. Epecially at the RP Tracks , where the lead changes has increased ! The Safety aspect of the Racing is Heads and Shoulder better than previous. Without the downturn in the Global Economy
Nascar would be doing better than ever ! Even with the Orchestrated Phantom Yellow Flags the Product is very Entertaining and Fan Friendly. It will interesting to see if the Rear Spoiler does in fact replace the Rear Wing Concept ! What would really be cool is if they went back to Bias Ply Tires...talk about Real Racing !

[Chris]

I see a NEW post on Jayski that say it's very possible they will do away with the wings and go back to spoilers,... also do away with the no-bumping zones, and do away with the 'no passing below the double yellow line' rule at Daytona and Dega

I think they are possibily reintroducing 'tragedy' back into the NASCAR series.
Now I'm all for NASCAR having less regulations and letting the teams work more in 'gray areas'.  BUT Lets use some common sense here.  Drivers have shown over and over at the restrictor plate tracks that with as hard as it is to pass they WILL drive the car anywhere there is asphalt.  How many times have we saw guys go all the way down into the grass on the back straights to try and pass.  THAT'S no problem,.. where the problem lies is when they get to the corner and there is no banking to hold the car in it's lane.  Thus at 200 mph when the car gets to the corner, they HAVE to go up onto the track banking where of course the person they are attempting to pass is at.  SO what happens.. we get a huge pile-up.
SO what this evolves into in a 200 mph game of "chicken"... or "who's Is Bigger"

All a matter if someone ON the track will back off and let the idiot below the yellow line in,.. or will he not.  Of course if you are on the track and back off .. you get run over by the folks nehind you.. so you get a big wreck no matter what.
I was always in agreement with this rule because it protects drivers from themselves.
I liken it to having football players playing with no protective equipment (helmets, pads, etc).  A situation where they have to 'make decisions' on their actions how to hit to keep from getting injured.
Some time you just HAVE to have rules to protect the majority from a few "idiots".  Same thing for the no-bumping rule.

SO what we see here (IMO) is once again.. NASCAR careing FAR LESS about safety of their drivers,.. in exchange for more crashes, better ratings and an increase in their bank accounts.
I know MANY MANY times when we saw driver 'spin' but miraculaously "save" the car, it was determined that the reason was the wings, and their side force.     Now NASCAR wants to take away one of the unintended benefits of the wings, and make it easier for drivers to crash.  Add in the fact they are doing away with the restrictor plate rules, and you have a recipe for tradegy.

I think the time has come that if NASCAR wants to make racing "SAFE" again and restore the competition to the way it used to be (drafting, slingshots passes, etc) it's time to look to going to 6 cylinder motors.  Less horsepower will slow the cars,.. making cars easier to handle, crashes will occur at lesser speeds, cars can be bunched back up again, etc.
Let face it... when we are in the stands watching,.. we don't know if they come racing by us at 180 mph or 150 mph.  Sure they run a little slower, but if the competition is better (and safer) thats what we are all after

[CodeBlueEMT]

 If NASCAR replaces the wing with with a spoiler, I hope the spoiler will work better on the car. My #1 reason is safety. Look at the wrecks last season.

 If a spoiler provides better racing, I'm all for it. I'm still tripping out about those roof wickers I saw on the cars at Rockingham  New Year's Day. Wicker? Those things were spoilers.

 I already respect Jimmie Johnson's skills as a race car driver. I'm not Jimmie Johnson fan, but I give him credit for what he's accomplished.

 Shayne

[Tyyrus]

Again Chris you have Hit the Nail directly on the Head ! I agree with everything that you have indicated. Keen observation on the Side Force Issue reducing the inertia force of the car to spin ! You Sly Old Fox ! To many Yrs.
working on those Trucks to Fool You ! It will be interesting to see how Greedy Brian will be as you have indicated . 

[HUDSON HORNET]

.......
My exit question is, if Jimmy Johnson wins a 5th title in a thrid different designed car will people finally give him the credit he deserves?

Perhaps they would give Jimmie due credit, unless of course Jimmie
beats LillE for the championship, --- especially if by only a few points.
There'd be no forgiving ANY driver who did that.

[FS_Amy]

I agree with Chris...there has to be a way to make changes to improve racing without backtracking on safety.

Also, I'm really against any wholesale changes to the handling of the cars without the addition of open testing-drastically changing the handle of the cars and giving the drivers no seat time is asking for trouble-and undo all the work teams have done to set chassis up for 2010.

[wannab24]

What happened to your spell check gelost in the move

[HUDSON HORNET]

What happened to your spell check gelost in the move

My spell checker seems to be working fine.
It indicates you've misspelled "gelost", but it's obvious you meant get lost.

I'm using the spell checker provided by Firefox and I recommend it, as well as Firefox, to anyone who hasn't switched from Internet Explorer. Firefox has far fewer problems and issues than IE does, and makes me seem smarter than I really am. Lord knows that ain't easy. 

[HUDSON HORNET]

Again Chris you have Hit the Nail directly on the Head ! I agree with everything that you have indicated............. It will be interesting to see how Greedy Brian will be as you have indicated . 

I don't imagine The Brian's greed knows any limits.
What I wonder is, if his greed will eventually cause NASCAR to expolde
or implode. I reckon either way it'll all come tumbling down. Unless, of course, my prediction
is accurate and The Brian sells NASCAR to the Land Of The Rising Sun as a turn-key operation. All that they'd need to do is add some sensibility to the mix to restore a classic back to it's original condition. Although they speak a different language, I'm thinkin' they'll listen to, and understand, the fans in the stands who are known to be among the most loyal to sponsor's products and services. NASCAR fans are an advertiser's dream.
Shame on The Brian for turning it into a nightmare for the fans.   

[20forLogano]

I like what Chirs says as well.  Nascar feels they now have the safer car so they can let the drivers go out and be absurb without being penalized.  I mean, a lot of the newbie fans and the casual fans tune into Nascar because of the crashes which will bring the ratings so Nascar says let's go for it.  We need to get Brian OUT of here.  He is ruining our sport.

[DougS]

Here's the transscript of how all this got started.

NASCAR Says Rear Spoilers, Yellow Lines, "No Bumping Zones" May Disappear In 2010: NASCAR's Managing Director Corporate Communications, Ramsey Poston, said Friday that the sanctioning body is investigating the possibility of replacing rear wings with old-style rear spoilers in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, in time for the start of the 2010 Daytona 500. However, Poston told Sirius NASCAR Radio's Sirius Speedway with Dave Moody that the change has nothing to do with cars becoming airborne during high speed crashes at the circuits two superspeedways; Daytona and Talladega. "We took a car to the wind tunnel after last year's fall race at Talladega and recreated Ryan Newman's crash to as high a degree as possible," he said. "Those tests showed beyond any doubt that the rear wing had no effect on the way that race car took off. With that said, we talked to 14 different drivers at the NASCAR Technical Center yesterday [Thursday], and all 14 of them were in favor of going back to rear spoilers as a way of increasing downforce and improving competition. As a result of the input we have received from those drivers, and others, I think it's safe to say that we are taking a very serious look at the possibility of reintroducing rear spoilers for the 2010 season." If NASCAR elects to move forward with the change, Poston said the sanctioning body will wind-tunnel test the package almost immediately, before scheduling an on-track test session prior to the start of SpeedWeek 2010. Poston said NASCAR has met with every track operator since the end of last season, along with drivers, owners, crewchiefs and even media partners in an effort to determine what might be done to improve competition, and that the rear wing/spoiler is only one item on the list. "If it helps us improve competition, we will move forward with it," said Poston. "There are other changes that we will announce during the annual Media Tour that I think will be welcomed by everyone; drivers, crewchiefs, team owners and especially fans."
Poston revealed that NASCAR is likely to loosen the reins on drivers next season, saying, "We're going to let the drivers drive." While declining to give specifics prior to the official announcement, it is expected that NASCAR will eliminate the controversial "no bumping zones" at superspeedways, and possibly even the rule prohibiting drivers from racing below a yellow line at the bottom of the banking at both Daytona and Talladega.(Sirius Speedway)(1-9-2010)

Now theres a second headline that says NASCAR will announce new changes on Jan 21st.

There's a whole bunch more in the update secition, but I won't post it here because of the source who's been know to interpert or spin what ever he's been told, instead of reporting verbatim.