Kevin Grubb suspended

[Racergiant]

In Cali - if you're stopped and refuse a sobriety test it's an AUTOMATIC 1 year drivers License suspension...

And WELCOME Tyyrus....  When my pastie is pulled out of the oven - pass me a Molson, eh...

[Tyyrus]

JUST CHECKED OUT THE FILM OF GRUB STANDING IN THE PIT AREA AFTER THE WRECK AGAINST THE
WALL. HE SURE HAS THE LOOK OF AN INDIVIDUAL SUFFERING THE EFECTS OF A CONCUSSION.......DAH......
WHAT HAPPENED !!!   RACER , THANX & LABATT 'S BLUE  LAGER OK ?  ALL OUT OF CANADIAN ALE...EH !

[nascarbabe2U]

Well that Pucks 

[AfterShock]

Kevin is reporting that he doesn't remember refusing to take a drug test after his collision with Mr. Wall. If he suffered a concussion, that's possible.

What should NA$CAR do now?

I think NA$CAR should do a hair test to determine exactly when was the last time Kevin injested any illegal drug(s). If it's proven Kevin didn't injest any illegal drugs in the time frame in question, NA$CAR should appologize and reinstate him.

What do y'all think NA$CAR should do?
What do y'all think NA$CAR WILL do?

[skool]

NASCAR Apologize!?!  NASCAR do the right thing!?!:D   Like THAT will ever happen.

Perhaps we ought to have ole AfterShock tested for even suggesting such an insane idea!

"May I have your attention please. Will Mr. AfterShock please report immediately to the Message Board Care Center. Mr. AfterShock, please report immediately to the Message Board Care Center. That is all."

[AfterShock]

NASCAR Apologize!?!  NASCAR do the right thing!?!:D   Like THAT will ever happen.

Perhaps we ought to have ole AfterShock tested for even suggesting such an insane idea!

"May I have your attention please. Will Mr. AfterShock please report immediately to the Message Board Care Center. Mr. AfterShock, please report immediately to the Message Board Care Center. That is all."

...
Have Mercy (although I prefer Marcy)

Forgive me -- for I know not what I wrote. I don't remember a thing. Not a word.
I didn't do it -- nobody saw me -- you can't prove a thing!
I'm insane until proven otherwise.

Besides, I have a perscription.
It's just that sometimes I don't heed the warning on the label.

W A R N I N G

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO USE BIG WORDS OR MAKE SENSE WHEN TAKING THIS MEDICATION.

BTW, they're suppository. 

[Checkeredflag]

I don't know what to believe about the whole story.  Either way, it's very sad.

The problem I have with Grubb's story is that he had to go to the infield care center.  How could trained medical professionals, specifically looking for *something*, which would include a concussion, miss the confusion and other symptoms that he claims to have been suffering from, and not send him to the hospital for further tests?  I don't care how minimally competent or incompetent it will later be claimed that these doctors and nurses staffing the infield care center are - that's so basic it shouldn't have been missed by a first year medical student - if Grubb was indeed as confused as he claims.

Unless, like someone suggested, he agrees to a hair follicle test, there's no way to say what, if any, drugs were in his system (not that he was under the influence of them, but merely ingested close enough in time to the race to create a positive reading) at the time the test would have been given. 

I don't know - maybe I'm being cynical, I just find the whole story a bit hard to believe completely.  The part about NASCAR wanting a drug test I do believe, and I do believe that for whatever reason Kevin Grubb refused.  And, since it was a condition of holding a NASCAR license, there was no choice but to re-suspend him.  Now, the ball is in Kevin's court to prove them wrong - and it involves more than a doctor's note from his local hospital.

I feel bad for him if he's wrongly accused, but the events that put him in the situation to be possibly wrongly accused are 100% on him.  If he's clean and has been clean since the original offense, the hair test should be no biggie - and it would prove his story.  If not, well, he can't really complain.

I just don't know...

[Tyyrus]

JUST PISS IN THE DAMM (CAN I SAY THAT) ..BOTTLE AND GET IT OVER WITH , JUST DON'T SHAKE IT MORE THAN ONCE OR NASCAR , WILL WRITE YOU UP FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST...EH..!

KEVIN GRUBB QUOTE: MY HEAD HURTS...WHICH ONE ..!!!!!

[Blu]

I agree with Checkered Flag 100% and (AT THE RISK OF GREAT BODILY HARM..)I agree with NASCAR on this one.
Tyyrus..problem with taking the test now...its waaay to late to do any good.

As a former DOT drug testing admin (oversaw the program and selected and notified drivers)in another life, I took my job seriously AND I enforced the rules(actually I wrote the poilcy for my company and it was approved bya lawyer as legally binding and adopted and used by several other companies locally, and even by our county govt. for their policy). The policy is as fair as can possibly be made for all involved.

Therein lies the whole she bang, fairness for everyone. I have NOT seen or read any of NASCARS policy but I suspect it is very similar to ours.

ALL employees MUST participate
ALL employees must submit to testing as a condition of employment (and they know this coming in) by submitting to a Pre Employment Drug Screen ata DOT approved testing facility.
Testing selection is 0one by
  a) Random selection from pool of employees (names selected are then put back into pool before next draw) in
       which no fewer than 25% of employees are selected per quarter
  b) Post Accident testing, requires that any employee involved in an accident requiring one, or more vehicles to be
      towed, OR injuries requiring treatment at hospitlal occurs, OR death of one or more invovled in accident occurs, 
      the  employee MUST submit to (OR request testing if not offered) drug testing ASAP after accident with ALL
      activities geared towards obtaining said tests and not to exceed 4 hours after accident.IF an employee is
      incapacitated due to the accident, the signing of the "drug testing agreement" at hire will be sufficient to
      consent to testing and will be requested by the employer. Failure of treatment facility to perform testing will NOT
      reflect on the employee in this case.
  c) Reasonable Suspicion of being under the influence. If employee is deemed to be exhibiting actions (by a company
      certified DOT Drug testing coordinator trained as to what actions are legally considered "resaonable") that could be
      interpreted as reasonable suspicion of under the influence, employee MUST submit at once to DOT approved drug
      testing and accompanied by said coordinator to the testing site . Failure to abide by this will result in immediate
      termination.
   d) Employer sponsored drug abuse counseling plan testing. If (at the discretion of the employer),an employee   
       enroills in a company sponsored drug abuse counseling program as an alternative to termination, said employee 
       MUST submit to ANY and ALL conditions set forth in that program, including "at will"  testing. Failure to abide by
       these policies will result in IMMEDIATE termination.

Drivers know all this before coming on board and I think those are prety clear and pretty fair honestly.

Kevin  after testing positive once before was obviously on some sort of a  "part D" program that required him to be tested "at will" OR, possibly there was  "reasonable suspicion". In either case he clearly violated the rules by his refusal to submit. Concussion or not, there WERE doctors in the care center that obviously deemed him fit enough to at least understand what was going on. He DID refuse after all.

The ONLY question in my mind is this..Was Kevin then reminded that failure to submit would have serious consequences??
 THAT seems to be his ONLY recourse at this time IMHO.That he was possibly not informed (at that time) or understand the consequence of his failure to abide by the testing rules.He should have been (and we dont know that he wasnt) informed at that time of refusal of the consequences in no uncertain terms.

Lets remember..he was indeed deemed coherent enough by the docs at the care center to be released and make a decison to consent to testing. AND,po'd, right , wrong, under the influence or not, he verbally refused testing.

He cooked his own goose IMHO.As much as I  often disagree with the decisions of  NASCAR..this time they got it right IMHO.
This was Kevins decison, NOT NASCAR's, they simply followed the rules and, as CF said, "they had no choice" at that point.

Well, thats my $.02

[SMOKEN14]

I get called in for ramdom drug tests every 3-4 months if I don't comply with in an hour I can be let go all cdl truck drivers have to follow these rules .. IM all for kepping druggys off the road  and the race track ............. who needs a dope head racing around at 180 mph endangering other drivers ...... just my 1.5 cents worth

[Dustcloud]

I don't think anyone in this entire thread has disputed that A. Grubb had to take the test and B. that he did not.

The question is (Assuming you believe his story) is someone who has a concussion competent to be held liable for refusing to do so. Is he (or she perhaps someday) mentally able to rationally make that decision. If he IS telling the truth, that quesiton has to be answered and the doctors in that infield need to be looked at long and hard. If he's not, it STILL has to be answered. Cripes, we've certainly had enough drivers trying to make decisions while having concussions in the past few years, and their decision to drive in that state indicates to me they're NOT rational. 'Course, I have no medical degree soooo...

Testing his hair (Assuming he has it longer than he used to his first time around - I haven't seen a recent picture) is prolly the best thing they could do.