CONGRATULATIONS BRIAN!!!!

[Busch Babe 899]

It may not have been the way you wanted to win, but win you did!! Great job!!

Now for my semi-annual "anti-Jeff Gordon/Jimmie Johnosn" diatribe...for those JG/JJ fans out there, you might want to cover your years (GG/KG has heard this many times before, she knows I mean no harm!! )...nothing personal, but this stuff builds up after so long holding it in, I just have to get some of it off my chest! so here goes:

JJ and Jeff Gordon could be brothers, they're so much alike, and today after the race was a prime example of the whining they both do when things don't go their way, IMO. They just make me grit my teeth when I know they're on after something happened to them on-track. 

Dale Earnhardt Jr showed SO much more maturity than Jimmie, even though he had to be mad, he didn't dump on Brian on national TV, he admitted he knew Brian hadn't done it on purpose...I'm so glad Brian is getting out of there, and even if he DID make a misstep today, he didn't do it on purpose...

Grow up JJ!! Like you haven't caused more than your share of wrecks on the restrictor plate tracks...  That just made me mad  ...I KNEW the words (or at least the gist) that were going to come out of his mouth before he even was interviewed. Call me psychic.   

And I think Brian has more class in his little finger than JJ and JG combined. (And Dale Jr has much more class than many of his fans, who once again showed their displeasure by littering the track with debris...  ) My opinion, of course, but he made no excuses, just explained what had happened from his point of view (a pretty good one, since he was the one with eyes actually ON what was happening), that he had been following JJ, pushing him, all 3 cars close together, one wrong bobble and he caught JJ's bumper, and that he didn't want to win that way, but he'd take it. Good for you, Brian, don't be cowed by Jimmie...he's no friend of yours if he lets one little mistake drive a wedge even further between you.

What it all comes down to is everyone was driving very aggressively that last lap, but aggressive driving is the norm these days. I saw Brian pushing JJ...he was doing nothing more than what many other drivers do out there. Heck, Dale Jr was BUMP DRAFTING in the corners, a supposed no-no. 

Just enjoy the win, Brian, and sleep in tomorrow...I mean, it's not like you have to get up early for a team meeting or anything. 

BTW, Mark Martin NEVER attends the monday morning team meetings. It hasn't affected his ability to win. 

Diatribe done...please resume your regular browsing...anyone seen a grass skirt around??? 

[Blu]

And Blu says...AMEN!!

[Chris]

yeah,... I think I have to agree...
You can look at it several ways,... but when you get to the LAST lap there is no such THING as a teammate,.. Wally and Benny even said that in the pre-race stuff.
SO it's no surprise an accident happened on the last lap.  Heck, it's almost EXPECTED now days at Dega and Daytona.

The fact it was between Vickers and JJ,.. thats no big deal,.. could have just as EASY been between JG and JJ,.. or between and Kenseth and Biffle, etc...
It looked like one of those deals.  The thing that started the whole thing was Earnhardt put such a BIG block on JJ. That made JJ make a 'second' move, and that left Vickers (still glued squarely to his bumper) now off to the side.

If Brian HADN'T been pushing and JJ would of lost... JJ would be complaining Vickers was a terrible teammate because he didn't 'help' him win.  BB is right on this point,... JJ is just like JG.  They could change uniforms and you couldn't tell them apart.

I can't see where Vickers is at fault.
It just makes good fuel for the fire that he's not been "allowed" to the team meeting, etc etc.  Gives TV, writers, etc something to write and complain about.
I think Earnhardt showed a LOT of class by his statements after the crash.  He was "hey,  racing is racing,.. and this is restrictor place racing"  Even complimented Brian on being such a good driver.  Not sure I ever heard him say he did anything wrong...
(Gosh did I say that.....   )
Who knows,.. Maybe Earnhardt felt partly responsible for throwing such a big block, and felt he could be as much at fault as anyone.

[smyler]

I could not agree less.  Makes me ashamed to call myself a NASCAR fan to see people acknowledge Brian as an anywhere near positive example of a cup driver.  To think that anything positive could be said about the situation makes me ill.  I literally mean it.  I've had it with this whole world where people root for the evil in people and never for the positive.  People are always looking for what is wrong so they can build it up.  Well count me out.  This is my final post on here. 

Jr was a class guy by not being negative, but JJ was frustrated after his team mate knocked him out.  If you wouldn't be frustrated then you are either lying or don't have much of a drive to win. 

I hope all of you fans of the dark side will think about what you hold sacred.  It permiates your life one little bit at a time and before you know it it envelopes you.  I will also be praying for you.  I bet you rolled your eyes at that.  I'm not even going to log  back in to see responses because I'm sure it would be sarcasm.

Goodbye

[Chris]

goodbye,...

We all have our opinions and everyone is free to express them.
In my opinion Vickers didn't do anything wrong.... what I'm saying was I don't see it as 'intentional"... so thats my opinion.

Like BB said,.. JJ has had more than HIS share of incidents where he wrecked someone and expected for people to hear his side of it, and also look at both sides.  IN this case, just because JJ (and JG is the same way) if it is a bad situation for him,.. well the offending party is automatically at fault, he has been wronged intentionally, and he is judge and jury. 
IN this race LAST year JJ caused not ONE... but TWO big accidents,.. he came out with all KINDS of excuses afterwards.  But let someone run into him (and this incident could go several ways,)... and he has his mind made up before all the facts are in.

If you wanna leave because some people feel that way,.. thats your right also.
I'm sure no one will try to force or beg you to stay.
Sorry to see you go.  It's people with varying opinions and the polite discussion it generates that make the board interesting.

[cousinbilly]

Brian is a no talent fool who should be working at McDonald somewhere..plain and simple it was a stupid move on his part.. no room in Nascar for nitwits like Brian!  Brian I hope you are proud of your tainted win.

[Tonyfan14]

Brian is a no talent fool who should be working at McDonald somewhere..plain and simple it was a stupid move on his part.. no room in Nascar for nitwits like Brian!  Brian I hope you are proud of your tainted win.

Oh come on now, thats a little harsh. It was just hard racing on the last lap for a win. If Brian should be working at McDonalds then so should Tony, Jeff,JJ, Jr and everyone else out there who has wrecked guys. And it wasen't even like Brian was trying to wreck JJ and Jr on purpose. He was just trying to push JJ to a win and made a mistake. Thats racing.

[Chris]

Brian is a no talent fool who should be working at McDonald somewhere..plain and simple it was a stupid move on his part.. no room in Nascar for nitwits like Brian!  Brian I hope you are proud of your tainted win.
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Oh come on now, thats a little harsh....

You have to excuse CousinBilly.
Seems like he only shows up to try and stir up trouble.  You just kinda have to ignore him.
I could be wrong,.. but off the top of my head,.. I can't recall a post where he wasn't being critical of a driver or poster on the board...
Not really any discussion... just comes in spewing his venom.
I guess you have a couple in every crowd....

[paulfan]

Chris, I just watched a replay of the wreck in slo-mo and didn't see the block you were mentioning.  Jr was just above the lane stripes and stayed there when JJ made his move.  As for Smyler I just cant see where we are evil and on the dark side for recognizing Vickers talent.  If he didn't belong where he was he would have been back in the garage with Stramboni who just happened to take out my cousin Paul from the race.

[Chris]

The block was before the wreck... when Earnhardt moved from the ouside wall down to the middle of the track.
Even Earnhardt himself said he "put a big block on JJ to try and keep him back there" in the post race interview (some words to that effect)
Then when he saw he was coming by anyway Jr. held his line.... but thats when I was talking about the block.
In any event it all ended up getting Vickers not square behind JJ and what caused the wreck... I REALLY don't think Vickers turned JJ on purpose.  Didn't look like it in any event.
Like Jr said,.. thats what happens with restrictor plate racing,...
Bunch 'em all in big pack and watch 'em wreck.  It's "Made for TV wrecking".  oohh errrr I mean racing.
Just thank God no one has gotten killed in a while.... but it's coming.... again unless they go a whole 'nother route.

[LeeAnne331]

I also couldn't see the block, but I've heard a few people talking about it.  Either way, JJ lost momentum and slowed down.  Just about every commentator and writer viewed this as a racing incident and I have to agree.  Congratulations to Brian Vickers on his first win although unfortunately it will be a tainted one in many people's eyes.  

Also, in regards to JJ and JG...  I am so sick of the complaining.  Jimmie is whining about Brian....Jeff whining about Jr.  I'm not a Jr. fan, but as he said after the race...no one was helping Jeff on the track except for his teammates....Jr. was trying to help JG....and only to have Jeffie b**** about it during the interview.  Just suck it up for once already!

[cousinbilly]

You have to excuse CousinBilly.
Seems like he only shows up to try and stir up trouble.  You just kinda have to ignore him.
I could be wrong,.. but off the top of my head,.. I can't recall a post where he wasn't being critical of a driver or poster on the board...
Not really any discussion... just comes in spewing his venom.
I guess you have a couple in every crowd....

just stating my opinion if you don`t like it ....don`t read it!
after all not everyone on here can be as brilliant as you!

[Chris]

well you FINALLY said something I can agree with....   ROFLOL   

As far as your usual comments,.. a quick check of your past post show my comments are correct,.. you only show up to make some smart ass comment or cause trouble.
It seems like your SOLE use for being here,....
Like I said,.. there's one in every crowd.

Of course every place needs someone like this around I guess.... it''s sets the example of how NOT to act... and makes others think before posting silly, childish comments because they remember how silly and childish you look when you do...
SO I guess you do serve SOME useful purpose.

Like someone once said,... Everyone should strive to set an example.... you seem to set the "bad" type,... so it reminds everyone else how silly they look if they do the same.  POST ON dude... POST ON.

[Busch Babe 899]

I'm sorry that you think that our opinions differing from yours means you shouldn't be here, smyler, but the fact of the matter is we all have opinions. I try hard, out of deference to my JG and JJ fan friends, to keep my opinions about them to myself, but I'm not going to change my opinion because someone disagrees with me. No one should have to.

That being said, I hope you'll reconsider and come back. You've had some interesting points in the past.

The block wasn't BLATANT, but it was there...if you watch the views from above, you can see that JJ pulls out to pass Jr on the inside, and Jr moves down to try to prevent it. Like Chris said, when he realized he was too far inside him, he then held his line...but JJ had to let up or was no longer aimed directly straight down the track due to having to take evasive maneuvers to avoid getting hit by Jr. That's why suddenly where there was space for Brian to follow JJ, there no longer was. It's the nature of restrictor plate racing...in a fraction of a second, what seems like a good move can become a bad move.That's what sometimes happens when you have cars running around a huge track inches apart at almost 200mph. That accident could just as easily have taken Brian out, too...no way it was intentional. And I think calling ANY driver evil is a little much. But as I mentioned before, that's just my opinion.

I've been thinking about it more, after reading some of the articles on the 'net last night...the majority of the objective writers agree that it was an accident. A few called for Brian's head, and I discount THOSE as writers not being objective, or playing Devil's Advocate.

I think Brian should have hung JJ out...they wouldn't have wrecked, and when JJ went out here, EXPECTING HIS TEAMMATE WOULD FOLLOW AND PUSH HIM, Brian should have stuck with Jr and pushed him...woulda served JJ right. He would have finished much further back, being hung out like that. But Brian chose to be a loyal teammate and continue pushing JJ, which was the ONLY way JJ was going to get by Jr...the rest of the pack was too far back to help him.

In the spring race at Talladega, JJ hung Brian out to go for the win, and ended up trying to apologize to him in his post-race interviews...it would have served him right had Brian pushed Jr to the win. Can you hear the whining now had THAT happened.

Brian was trying to help his teammate. Whether JJ lost momentum as he came around Jr, or Jr came down to block him, Brian was simply using the same tactics we've seen Jr use regularly on the restrictor plate tracks (and Jr got warned during the race to cool the bump drafting because he was doing it into the corner, the grip the new track surface gave them increasing the confidence enough that he felt safe doing that...but NASCAR told him several times to cool it)...

Even Jr said in his post-race interview that he thought he'd shown Brian a few moves perhaps he shouldn't have, indicating he knew Brian was doing exactly as he had many times in the past. But for the reasons that people say bump-drafting is wrong, it went wrong this time.

All this is JMO of course, but it ticks me off when I read articles on the internet calling for Hendrick to park Brian now. Why the heck would he do that?? Brian just won him a lot of money and another trophy. And I've got to believe that Hendrick and Roush (remember Biffle and Busch in Lowes a few years back) and all the other multi-car team owners understand that you have more than one car on the track long enough, sooner or later they are going to get together....

And Chad Gnaus' comment about Brian lacking talent...that's just low class.

I realize JJ and Jr fans are ticked about this, I would be too. In fact, I AM a Jr fan. I hate to see any of my favorite drivers lose a race, let alone as a result of a mistake. But Brian won. Not the way he wanted to, but he won. And I say Congratulations.

[cousinbilly]

We all have our opinions and everyone is free to express them.
In my opinion Vickers didn't do anything wrong.... what I'm saying was I don't see it as 'intentional"... so thats my opinion.

Like BB said,.. JJ has had more than HIS share of incidents where he wrecked someone and expected for people to hear his side of it, and also look at both sides.  IN this case, just because JJ (and JG is the same way) if it is a bad situation for him,.. well the offending party is automatically at fault, he has been wronged intentionally, and he is judge and jury. 
IN this race LAST year JJ caused not ONE... but TWO big accidents,.. he came out with all KINDS of excuses afterwards.  But let someone run into him (and this incident could go several ways,)... and he has his mind made up before all the facts are in.

If you wanna leave because some people feel that way,.. thats your right also.
I'm sure no one will try to force or beg you to stay.
Sorry to see you go.  It's people with varying opinions and the polite discussion it generates that make the board interesting.

just keeping the board interesting..don`t like opinions..stay in your garage and work on your truck..don`t recall caring about your llikesand dis-likes. when you get rich enough to own this board then you can say who posts and who does not!..Have a great day!