Jeff Gordon's Car Raises Eyebrows of Officials in Post Race Inspection

[smyler]

I have to admit I thought there would be a lot more JG flamers on here than there have been.  Are people practicing good manners, do they think it really was a mechanical failure or wassup?

[Blu]

I have to admit I thought there would be a lot more JG flamers on here than there have been.  Are people practicing good manners, do they think it really was a mechanical failure or wassup?

Its not that Smyler...Its just that I just give up when it comes to Jeffy Poo and penalties. I mean...I guess you just have to accept the fact that IMO the #24, 48 ,HMS teams will ALWAYS get preferential treatment.

Otherwise... its like beating your head against a wall. You just have to accept that there are rules for HMS......and there are rules for everyone else IMHO.

Im done flaming Jeffy and HMS (at least for awhile ).....it simply doesnt do anything but get my BP up when I  think of it......... so.....I choose  NOT to think about  it.

Flamers, bud, ya posted EXACTLY what Ive been thinking myself . I also thought maybe NASCAR had/ was looking for a new Golden Boy but... .............I reckon I was wrong (sigh).

Go NASCAR! Go HMS!!

[outtaget1]

You are  right  about  the plural  of  the  thing...  there  had  to  have  been  more  than one  screw  up  for  the  rear  quarter  panel(s) to  both  be  low...

But  the  thing  that  frys  me  is  they  say  the  rear  roof  hieght  was  good,  but  the  quarter  panels  were  low...

How  is  that possible???  is  there  a  hinge  or  a  flex  point  between  the  roof  and  the  rear  quarter  panels???  I  don't  think  so...

They  must  grease  that  joint  thru  pembertons  right  hand..  You  know,, the  one  he  takes  hand outs  in....

Go Tony,,,  the greatest  REAL RACER...

JS

[flamehothead]

You are  right  about  the plural  of  the  thing...  there  had  to  have  been  more  than one  screw  up  for  the  rear  quarter  panel(s) to  both  be  low...

But  the  thing  that  frys  me  is  they  say  the  rear  roof  hieght  was  good,  but  the  quarter  panels  were  low...

How  is  that possible???  is  there  a  hinge  or  a  flex  point  between  the  roof  and  the  rear  quarter  panels???  I  don't  think  so...

They  must  grease  that  joint  thru  pembertons  right  hand..  You  know,, the  one  he  takes  hand outs  in....

Go Tony,,,  the greatest  REAL RACER...

JS

So that would have to mean that the ROOF is too high. If BOTH quater PANELS are too low and the Roof is ok then it (roof) would have to be High. Think about it, The Higher the Roof the LESS air on the Spoiler LOL.

[outtaget1]

But  it  passed  prerace  template  inspection...

Roof  stayed  ok,  they  are  saying  the  quarterpanels  dropped....  dah,,,  there  would  need  to  be  a  flex  point  in  the  body panels...  We  all  know  that  is  not  so.... 

I  am  saying  something stinks..  STILL STINKS....   Somebody say  a lie. hehehehe

You  are  right, less  air  on  the  spoiler  and  that  is  what  they  want  for  speed...  BUT,,,,,  you  saw  the  car  stick  when  he  went  down  and  around  AND  BY KBusch in  the  blu2...... 

And  that  stinks  too..  KBusch  has  been  the  blocker  of  all  blockers for  the  past week and  yesterday,,,  he holds  high  without  a  waiver  of  an  attempt.....   Talk  about pulling  off  the  choreography in  a  phoney  show.

Go Tony,,,

JS

[Tyyrus]

But  it  passed  prerace  template  inspection...

Roof  stayed  ok,  they  are  saying  the  quarterpanels  dropped....  dah,,,  there  would  need  to  be  a  flex  point  in  the  body panels...  We  all  know  that  is  not  so.... 

I  am  saying  something stinks..  STILL STINKS....   Somebody say  a lie. hehehehe

You  are  right, less  air  on  the  spoiler  and  that  is  what  they  want  for  speed...  BUT,,,,,  you  saw  the  car  stick  when  he  went  down  and  around  AND  BY KBusch in  the  blu2...... 

And  that  stinks  too..  KBusch  has  been  the  blocker  of  all  blockers for  the  past week and  yesterday,,,  he holds  high  without  a  waiver  of  an  attempt.....   Talk  about pulling  off  the  choreography in  a  phoney  show.

Go Tony,,,

JS

It just bends one's Mind to attempt to understand how those Chasis Specialists and Body Hangers can Bend / Twist a Car Body ! Rememner seeing Rusty Wallaces Ole Black Miller Duce . comming down Pit Lane at Michigan a while back and it had a decided list to Right on the Right Rear and to the Left on the Front Left...pretty well planed out !

[falcon325]

Go Tony,,,  the greatest  REAL RACER...

REAL RACERS win at Darlington.   

[Tyyrus]

REAL RACERS win at Darlington.   

Only about a Handfull of Real Racers Left...most of the Current Field is full of Driving Enthusiast's..Eh !

[Racergiant]

You are  right  about  the plural  of  the  thing...  there  had  to  have  been  more  than one  screw  up  for  the  rear  quarter  panel(s) to  both  be  low...

But  the  thing  that  frys  me  is  they  say  the  rear  roof  hieght  was  good,  but  the  quarter  panels  were  low...

How  is  that possible???  is  there  a  hinge  or  a  flex  point  between  the  roof  and  the  rear  quarter  panels???  I  don't  think  so...

They  must  grease  that  joint  thru  pembertons  right  hand..  You  know,, the  one  he  takes  hand outs  in....

Go Tony,,,  the greatest  REAL RACER...

JS

Well......   I don't know about Pembertons right hand and grease LOL  but.....

Imagine it this (kind of extreme) way....  You know those big Aircraft Carriers the Navy has?  There are 12 decks above the waterline and about 7 decks below the waterline.

In heavy swells when the ship rocks - the top decks move side to side a number of feet where down below the waterline on the bottom deck it's inches...  Now turn that movement sideways and make the pivot point the front end.

When the rear end dropped the roof dropped less and the front end not at all.

It's conceivable that the roof measurement taken about 12 inches from the top of the windshield & centerline of the car was still within the allowance and the rear measurement taken where the corner of the trunk lid, fender and bumper cover meet could be out of range. 

The car is set up to be barely above the minimum at that spot anyways.

[outtaget1]

I  am  well  aware  of  how the  radius  of  movement  works..  I  am  not  aware  of  the  points  each  of  those  measurements are  taken..  You  are  very  right in  that  possible  scenario  if  in  fact  they  are  talking roof  height  near  the  front  of  the  roof.....   And  also,, the  verbage is  not exact  either...  As  I  understood  him,  he  said  the  roof  did  not  move,, but  the  quarter  panels (plural) were  low....

I  am  not  sure  about  the  grease  of  palms  either..  figurative  speaking  there... I  don't  put scam and  flim  flam beyond  the  nascar  mob however... They  are  all  far  from  straight  shooters.
The  RCR deal  with  equalizing rims  is  the  latest  of  examples on  that  one...
That  stunk to  high  heaven...

Go Tony

JS

[Brian623]

20 ain't getting that pole..the candy guys are still up front

[Racergiant]

I  am  well  aware  of  how the  radius  of  movement  works..  I  am  not  aware  of  the  points  each  of  those  measurements are  taken..  You  are  very  right in  that  possible  scenario  if  in  fact  they  are  talking roof  height  near  the  front  of  the  roof.....   And  also,, the  verbage is  not exact  either...  As  I  understood  him,  he  said  the  roof  did  not  move,, but  the  quarter  panels (plural) were  low....

I  am  not  sure  about  the  grease  of  palms  either..  figurative  speaking  there... I  don't  put scam and  flim  flam beyond  the  nascar  mob however... They  are  all  far  from  straight  shooters.
The  RCR deal  with  equalizing rims  is  the  latest  of  examples on  that  one...
That  stunk to  high  heaven...

Go Tony

JS

I didn't hear or read the whole story (other than what I've read here)...  Sometimes being an IT guy sucks...  Don't have near the free time I used to.

Each team is indeed seeking new and innovative ways to get leverage over their competetitors...  You actually have to applaude some of their ingenuity... i/e - the bleeder wheels, shocks that hold up the rear end just a little longer after a bump, plugged fuel filler necks to simulate a full fuel tank during qualifying etc...

In this sport NA$CAR can only plug the holes after they discover them.  The teams with their innovative builders and their college educated mechanical engineers outnumber NA$CAR 1,000 to 1 - not only in numbers but intelligence too.

[flamehothead]

REAL RACERS win at Darlington.   

And you would think that if Jeffy Pooh was a Real Driver he could win at a place like Texas.

[flamehothead]

Found this on Jayski.com.

More on Gordon's Infraction: -#24-Jeff Gordon didn't sleep well on Thursday night. Not necessarily because his car failed inspection following the second of two 150-mile qualifying races, but because he was worried people might think his team deliberately cheated. That's understandable in a week in which five crew chiefs and one vice president for competition have been suspended since Tuesday. "That's what's bothered me the most," Gordon said. "It's what kept me up all night. People are going to think we did something to circumvent the rules." NASCAR determined that a parts failure resulted in the rear quarter panel of Gordon's #24 Chevrolet being too low. Because it was deemed unintentional and gave Gordon no competitive advantage, the penalty was light. Gordon was forced to move from the second to last row -- 42nd [his worst previous start in the 500 was 39th in 2004] in the 43-car field -- for Sunday's Daytona 500. "It's easy if you just say the car was low," said Gordon, a three-time Daytona 500 champion. "But the car wasn't low on the racetrack. That's why the penalty is what it is. If NASCAR felt like it was any more than that we'd be in the same position as those other guys. I wouldn't have a crew chief right now. We'd have our points fined and a monetary fine." Gordon had reason to be concerned others would question his team's motives. #31-Jeff Burton of Richard Childress Racing was so concerned that he went to the NASCAR hauler to see what part was confiscated. "It's my opinion what happened to the 24 is just a screwup," Burton said. "The part was beat up pretty badly. It wasn't machined to work that way. It was seen by me as an honest mistake. From what I've seen, it wasn't a performance advantage. I think the punishment met the crime." Gordon said it will be a challenge going from the back to the front, but not one he can't overcome. "We're going to have to have a real good handling race car and also a fast race car," Gordon said before Friday's practice. "We're going to take not too much speed out of that car and really get the car to handling." Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president for competition, said no further penalties would be levied against Gordon's team

The only oart that I don't agree with is that he said the car wasn't low on the Track.

[Bubba]

REAL RACERS win at Darlington.   

Just let it go falcon, all these people that say Tony is a "real racer" because of all his Sprint car stuff either ignore the fact or are too stupid to know that Jeff was the YOUNGEST driver ever to win the Silver Crown (or whatever the hell it's called), not to mention that he did it the same year he won ROTY in Busch. They also forget that while they SAY that it was "all evernham", Jeff has won a Cup without Evernham, but Evernham hasn't won one without Jeff. When Toni gets 75 wins and 4 cups, I'll start paying attention...........