Jeff Gordon's Car Raises Eyebrows of Officials in Post Race Inspection

[falcon325]

But bubba!  THings were getting WAYYYY too tame around here.  Pokin' Furry Pumpkin fans with a sharp stick is great fun!   

Besides, when you look at the record, Tony's clearly one of the best of this era, but he hasn't exactly earned the demi-god status that his fans want to confer on him.  And Darlington is THE driver's track. 

[Chris]

heck,.. I been missing this GREAT thread...
Let me throw in my 2 cents worth...  LOL
First thing I want to point out is this...

I still find it hard to fault teams when this happens.. I still remember a few years back just before coil binding technology became what it is today and Mark Martin's Team was Fined and docked 30 Owner and Driver poinr s for a fail coil which permitted the car to be lower than the specifications allowed. What a bunch of crap..if it is Intentional..ok..but have they proven Jeffys car was deliberately tampered with no.

and this

Like most fans, I've never actually seen a NA$CAR rule book.  But I'm pretty sure there's no rule in there against equipment failing.

A few years back,.. teams said with all the heat, etc springs would sometimes collapse during the race,.. that would make them lower than the minimum ride height... Teams did get penalized, and some did not.  It was wrong then and it is wrong now.  Treat everyone the same.
In the end what happened was that NASCAR TOLD the teams to ALLOW for some settling of the springs,.. and they have to pass ride height inspection after the race, whether the springs failed or not.  (so yes, really they did have a rule against equipment failure)
After that we didn't hear any more about problem with springs.
IN the end .. whether they do or not,.. the team is still responsible more see the car is legal AFTER the race... whether a part fails or not.
The only exception is if you actually see something happen on the track that would cause this,... an accident that damaged the rear spoilers, and fenders, etc.
If you will remember drivers USED to get up and stand on TOP of their cars,... of course some (I remember Rusty Wallace) JUMPING up and down on top of his car after he won a race, and crushed in the roof some.. so NO WAY a height stick could be used to measure ride height on the roof.  Thats when those silly goalpost looking things came into being for a while to PREVENT a driver from getting onto the roof when he climbed out of his winning car.

Height is a simple measurement.... it has a stick with a gauge, and it has two colors,.. red and green.  When you put the sticks on the roof, rear quarter, etc... if it shows green,.. you pass,.. if it shows red,.. you fail.  There is no "interpretition"
NO Grey area.... and no place for ANYONE to say,.. "Well we don't think they "intended" for this part to fail or did this on purpose"
INTENT is not the rule... the sticks TELL YOU,.. pass or fail.  And then according to what has happened to everyone else,.. fine or no fine, and points assessed.  Now it seems they are taking away points and assigning fines for everything,.. so THIS should be included in that.  Points penalty is what happens today... so JG should get one to... as another posted stated, they been giving out points penalties for some time now on ride height being too low,.. so they have a precedent also.  It's really a NO BRAINER,.. unless you are just LOOKING to let someone off the hook.

IN the PAST when teams failed the height sticks it may have been by as little as 1/8 inch... here we are talking about a WHOLE INCH.  That is FOREVER on ride height,.. especially when it comes to getting the rear spoiler out of the air.

[Tonyfan14]

Pokin' Furry Pumpkin fans with a sharp stick is great fun!   

 Ohhh you did not just say that!!!













LOL

[Tyyrus]

heck,.. I been missing this GREAT thread...
Let me throw in my 2 cents worth...  LOL
First thing I want to point out is this...
and thisA few years back,.. teams said with all the heat, etc springs would sometimes collapse during the race,.. that would make them lower than the minimum ride height... Teams did get penalized, and some did not.  It was wrong then and it is wrong now.  Treat everyone the same.
In the end what happened was that NASCAR TOLD the teams to ALLOW for some settling of the springs,.. and they have to pass ride height inspection after the race, whether the springs failed or not.  (so yes, really they did have a rule against equipment failure)
After that we didn't hear any more about problem with springs.
IN the end .. whether they do or not,.. the team is still responsible more see the car is legal AFTER the race... whether a part fails or not.
The only exception is if you actually see something happen on the track that would cause this,... an accident that damaged the rear spoilers, and fenders, etc.


Height is a simple measurement.... it has a stick with a gauge, and it has two colors,.. red and green.  When you put the sticks on the roof, rear quarter, etc... if it shows green,.. you pass,.. if it shows red,.. you fail.  There is no "interpretition"
NO Grey area.... and no place for ANYONE to say,.. "Well we don't think they "intended" for this part to fail or did this on purpose"
INTENT is not the rule... the sticks TELL YOU,.. pass or fail.  And then according to what has happened to everyone else,.. fine or no fine, and points assessed.  Now it seems they are taking away points and assigning fines for everything,.. so THIS should be included in that.  Points penalty is what happens today... so JG should get one to... as another posted stated, they been giving out points penalties for some time now on ride height being too low,.. so they have a precedent also.  It's really a NO BRAINER,.. unless you are just LOOKING to let someone off the hook.

IN the PAST when teams failed the height sticks it may have been by as little as 1/8 inch... here we are talking about a WHOLE INCH.  That is FOREVER on ride height,.. especially when it comes to getting the rear spoiler out of the air.

Well Chris I still do not agree with Nascar's Post Race inclusion of Ride Height Measurement. As you have said it's Race Conditions ! All the damm bump drafting , incidental contact on Pit Road , the odd off-road excusions the drivers experience , Dynamic Metal Fatigue..all can have an effect on the Post Race Height Measurements. If it is Legal at the beginning of the Race..then..it Legal..Baby ! It's not like Weight Bias Requirements in Modifed Divisions were you use ta see the Driver throwing the xtra weight out of the car before Post Race Weighin's. Anyways..it's Nascar's call I guess but does not reduce their responsibility to ensure that infractions of this type are dealt with consistantly..yeah as if that will ever happen..with King Brian running the Show !

[Blu]

Ohh Chris, I agree completely bud!  

On a similar note. I KNOW  I heard THIS a few years back in  a statement regarding  the NASCAR rules, and rulebook, and modifications.



"If it doesnt say you CAN do it...you CAN'T! It's illegal! It's prety simple really."



Now, I  cant recall who said that.... it seems to me it was maybe Mike Helton.

I sure wish I had a copy of that. I recall that clearly and thats why it just drives me NUTS when I hear teams, drivers, or even NASCAR themselves talking about "grey areas".

It just seems to me that THAT interpretation would be a no brainer, fair for everyone type of thing that makes perfect sense. Hmmm...Prolly WHY they conveniently forgot it



Does anyone else recall this??

I seem to recall  it was for an "unapproved part" and Im thinking it was something on the #3 is probably  why I  remember it so clearly. I just remember hearing that, and thinking "OK..now that makes sense, and Ill buy that cause its fair to everyone, and clear as a bell".

 It eliminates "grey areas" completly! Leaves no room for personal interpretation.Just, A real common sense, and easy to understand interpretation of the  NASCAR rulle book.It doesnt have to be the muddled up, ticking folks off mess it is now, by simply saying , and sticking by...THAT!!

Anyone???

[Tyyrus]

Ohh Chris, I agree completely bud!  

On a similar note. I KNOW  I heard THIS a few years back in  a statement regarding  the NASCAR rules, and rulebook, and modifications.



"If it doesnt say you CAN do it...you CAN'T! It's illegal! It's prety simple really."



Now, I  cant recall who said that.... it seems to me it was maybe Mike Helton.

I sure wish I had a copy of that. I recall that clearly and thats why it just drives me NUTS when I hear teams, drivers, or even NASCAR themselves talking about "grey areas".

It just seems to me that THAT interpretation would be a no brainer, fair for everyone type of thing that makes perfect sense. Hmmm...Prolly WHY they conveniently forgot it



Does anyone else recall this??

I seem to recall  it was for an "unapproved part" and Im thinking it was something on the #3 is probably  why I  remember it so clearly. I just remember hearing that, and thinking "OK..now that makes sense, and Ill buy that cause its fair to everyone, and clear as a bell".

 It eliminates "grey areas" completly! Leaves no room for personal interpretation.Just, A real common sense, and easy to understand interpretation of the  NASCAR rulle book.

Anyone???

Your correct it was Fat Cat Helton..Blu..an example was when Martin was Penalized just enough Points to lose the Championship ta Senior..for a Illegal Carb Spacer (Non-Approved) Made of Synthetic Man-Made Plastic to prevent Heat Transfer...leave Nasa Technology to Ole Jack..Eh !

[Blu]

THANK YOU Ty!!

I KNEW I had heard it.AND, I beleive THAT (MM  carb spacer deal) may have been the very incident I was thinking about as it did pertain to the #3 in an indirect way

WHY, WHY cant they just go by THAT?? Seems pretty simple to me. If it doesnt say you can..you can't. Its illegal. Makes PERFECT sense IMO

Only ONE reason comes to mind as to why they dont want to folow that. NASCAR couldnt pick and choose WHO to penalize.

[flamehothead]

Just let it go falcon, all these people that say Tony is a "real racer" because of all his Sprint car stuff either ignore the fact or are too stupid to know that Jeff was the YOUNGEST driver ever to win the Silver Crown (or whatever the hell it's called), not to mention that he did it the same year he won ROTY in Busch. They also forget that while they SAY that it was "all evernham", Jeff has won a Cup without Evernham, but Evernham hasn't won one without Jeff. When Toni gets 75 wins and 4 cups, I'll start paying attention...........

Maybe you can explain something to me bubba? Why would ya need to call me Stupid?

Well ya have to figure that when Jeffy started in 1993 the Competition wasn't nearly as Stout as it was when Stewart started in 1999. Basicly here is what I'm talking about.

J.Gordon has been in Nascar for 14 year's. In the first 7 he won 49 races. In the second 7 races he won 26. The level of Conpetition is let's say..........A little tougher so I would think that it woould take Stewart a little longer to get 75 Wins but He WILL do it. Oh and by the way, J.Gordons second 7 races started in 1999 which was Stewarts Rookie year. If you haven't started paying attention by now then I wouldn't even start cause it will be here before ya know it LOL.

[outtaget1]

I  don't  think bubba was  talking  to  you  when  he  was talking  "stupid"...

You  have  to understand  that  is a prerequisite  to  being  a  fan  of  the "golden boy"...  The guy  of  many  tarnished  race  wins....  Made  golden  for  the fine  tuned  tongue  that  pushed  the scam  of  the  nascar  mob to where  it  USED  TO  BE..... 

I refer  to  the PR pushed golden  lad  as GODDY... Cause there  was  a  few  years he  was  MADE  TO  LOOK LIKE GOD...  In  the  late past, after  a  little  honest  competition came  to  the  sport, the  goddy  has  become  gaudy as  those puffed  up  blind  fans that  climbed  on  that  GRANDE wagon are. 

They  can't  help it,  and  the  type don't  learn  very  quick..  They  think  they  are  so  smart  there  is  no  room  for  improvement..  BUBBA   can't  help  he  is  blind....

Go Tony,,  the  greatest  REAL RACER

JS

[flamehothead]

I  don't  think bubba was  talking  to  you  when  he  was talking  "stupid"...

You  have  to understand  that  is a prerequisite  to  being  a  fan  of  the "golden boy"...  The guy  of  many  tarnished  race  wins....  Made  golden  for  the fine  tuned  tongue  that  pushed  the scam  of  the  nascar  mob to where  it  USED  TO  BE..... 

I refer  to  the PR pushed golden  lad  as GODDY... Cause there  was  a  few  years he  was  MADE  TO  LOOK LIKE GOD...  In  the  late past, after  a  little  honest  competition came  to  the  sport, the  goddy  has  become  gaudy as  those puffed  up  blind  fans that  climbed  on  that  GRANDE wagon are. 

They  can't  help it,  and  the  type don't  learn  very  quick..  They  think  they  are  so  smart  there  is  no  room  for  improvement..  BUBBA   can't  help  he  is  blind....

Go Tony,,  the  greatest  REAL RACER

JS

PLEASE don't get me wrong, I could care less if he was talking to/about me. I was just wondering why if he was LOL. IMO I think it's JEALOUSY if ya wanna know the Truth.

"GO SMOKE"

[Roswell]

Do you think if Jeffy ever has a REAL wreck, he'd come back and race again?
 Not startin a fight, just wonderin'.
 

[flamehothead]

Do you think if Jeffy ever has a REAL wreck, he'd come back and race again?
 Not startin a fight, just wonderin'.
 

Honestly, No. And I'm not saying that just because it's him but for the simple fact that he has alot more to think about than he used to. Now he has a Wife and a Baby on the way and IMO that wouldn't be worth Driving in Nascar. However, I don't think it changes the way they drive either.

[falcon325]

Do you think if Jeffy ever has a REAL wreck, he'd come back and race again?
 Not startin a fight, just wonderin'.
 

I've said before, Ros, that a Cup car owner once told me that most fans don't understand how hard it is for a driver to be in a wreck that results in a serious injury, and have the nerve to point that thing at a wall at the end of a turn and not lift.  You may recall that after a serious injury to his ribs, Dale Earnhardt went right back out and put in an amazing performance (on a road course, as I recall) the next week.  But then he went cold and didn't win a race for well over a year.

Whether a bad wreck would cause Jeff to retire is open to debate.  The FAGs like to portray Mr. Gordon as a wimp.  However, in addition to driving a race car at insanely fast speeds, Jeff is a scuba diver.  He likes to swim with sharks.  He's also tried his hand at cave diving, which is insanely dangerous.

[flamehothead]

I've said before, Ros, that a Cup car owner once told me that most fans don't understand how hard it is for a driver to be in a wreck that results in a serious injury, and have the nerve to point that thing at a wall at the end of a turn and not lift.  You may recall that after a serious injury to his ribs, Dale Earnhardt went right back out and put in an amazing performance (on a road course, as I recall) the next week.  But then he went cold and didn't win a race for well over a year.

Whether a bad wreck would cause Jeff to retire is open to debate.  The FAGs like to portray Mr. Gordon as a wimp.  However, in addition to driving a race car at insanely fast speeds, Jeff is a scuba diver.  He likes to swim with sharks.  He's also tried his hand at cave diving, which is insanely dangerous.

I think ya have him and Carl Edwards mixed up LOL.

[Roswell]

I can only imagine how hard itmust be to get back in a car  after a wreck. I know it's  stressful after a regular accident (funny how you can actually HEAR the sound of the impact for days or weeks)
 Yes I rememebr Dale getting back in that car an racing, if you've seen any pictures from that race, you can tell he is in pain. Alas............that was back when men were men....and women were glad they were