Jeff Gordon's Car Raises Eyebrows of Officials in Post Race Inspection

[flamehothead]

The Following week I went to Indy for the Brickyard and if I remember correctly he ran quite a bit of the race and then Mike Skinner took over. In True Mike Skinner fashion he went out and Smacked the wall right in front of me. We sit between turns 1 & 2 so when they come out of turn we can tell when there headed for the wall and the way he came out of the corner said nothing but wall LOL.

As some of you know, Before Stewart I was a BIG Rusty Wallace fan and I still am. IMO Earnhardt's death was Rusty's reason for retirement because Rusty still had a couple of years left and I don't think Age is what he based his Decision. Ya have to figure that Earnhardt was Invincible to just about EVERY driver on the track. Heck I honestly thought that they would pushing him out to his car in a wheelchair when he was 100 yrs old and I'm sure alot of prople thought that LOL.

I used to race Go-Karts and when I say that alot of people think they are NOT dangerous and they don't go very fast but let me be the first to tell ya that Isn't true. The fastest I was clocked at was around 85-90mph and your A$$ is about 2inches from the Asphalt. At the track I used to go to has a Big sweeping left hander with an even Sharper left turn at the end so one time I came around and Hit the Rumble Strips a little too hard and on my head I went. It took me about a Month to get back on and ya have to figure that they race Every weekend so it took me awhile to get the nerve to get back on.

I know Nascar makes the cars VERY safe but it doesn't matter if they make them 100% safe, If a driver has a serious crash he will think twice about getting back in. As for J.Gordon, He has ALOT more to think about today than he did in 1993 and ALOT more to LOSE.

[cglrcng]

I was going to stay out of this one. But when I saw this I had to copy & paste it here. I also remember when they took a whole 20 car because of the rear window/clip was really "INTENTIONALLY BUILT OFF CENTER TOO." Confiscated it was, for Cheating it was.

I never laughed so hard in my life no matter how much I used to pull for Mikey Waltrip, DDubya didn't do him any justice making Faux excuses for him or Toyota either all week & weekend. Mikey's daughter was right to question him about cheating.


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There are pics of your average everyday RAW IDIOT BUSHWIPES...See pic's 17,19,21, & 22 (or for that matter any one there w/ either The Donald or that Idiot McMahon in it!)

Yo BU****WIPES...Wrastlin' is as PHONY as a NASCAR pre-race show (Dear God please save our speedfreak super fast rum runnin' arsezzzzzzz today while we trade paint and bang fenders like in da olden days of whiskey runnin' of our roots). Now don't fergit to watch me sing the "Star Spangled Banner" w/ my grease stained racin' baseball cap on and sit on this here merican' flag all day till the checkers fly and Smoke climbs da fence...Jet fuel on the fans, jet fuel in the manifold(s)...I wasn't cheatin', honestly I wasn't (wink, wink..sellin' a few more NAPA Parts is all I was really trin' ta do)....it was them super dooper Air Force flyover Jets that put that oily appearin' "I don't knows nuttin' about no illegal substance in both of those manifolds Mr. France...I swear say's Michael Waltrip..."Oh Gee By Golly, I'ma Mighty Embare-Assed...Please fergive me Toyota"...I'ma jus' a poor Ol' country boy....I' didn't mean nuthin' when we pushed the envelope a wee bit too far....It ain't cheatin' lessen ya git caught. Pleeeeeaseeeee don't surspend me or ma crew chief...I mean dose cell phone bills on raceday might git a mighty expensive. Phony is as phony does...Bush and his gang have taught Merica and the BU**** CONTARD REPUKELICANS all they ever need to know about lyin' and cheatin'. Damn them Dixie Chicks. It must be all their fault...Gettim' banned on the local country station.
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Sry, but it was hilarious when I first saw it. Sort of summed up what I witnessed this weekend perfectly. What is really amazing to me is the one who was ruled the UNINTENTIONAL infractor by NASCAR is the story here...Blind eyes to the real INTENTIONAL cheaters of the week.

Get real people.

[falcon325]

I never laughed so hard in my life no matter how much I used to pull for Mikey Waltrip, DDubya didn't do him any justice making Faux excuses for him or Toyota either all week & weekend. Mikey's daughter was right to question him about cheating.

I don't know why it is so hard for people to believe Mikey when he says he didn't no nuthin' about it. 

He might actually be telling the truth, people.  He had a TON to lose by cheating.  A crew chief who's choice was to cheat a tad and keep making the huge bucks, or play it straight and struggle until he gets fired and ends up back in West Nowhere, Arkansas turning a wrench for a living and wearing a REAL "Mr. Goodwrench" uniform....

[outtaget1]

Why  can't  anybody remember that  Larry Carter left  mikey only  a  few weeks  back???  Not  under  good  terms  either...

Jack  Roush picked  him  right  up..  I  doubt  JRoush  hires  bad  people...

And,,  Why  can't  anybody  remember  the  reason  he  was  let  go?

They  claimed  he  wouldn't  "sacrifice"  for  the  company  cause...

Boy,,  it  looks  like  they  found  somebody  that  would...  From  what  I  see,  it  won't  take  long  for all  to  be  forgotten  by  the  know nothings  that  are  supposedly  fans  of  this  sport.

Not  for  one  minute  can  you  make  me  believe  that  the  mikey  mouth  who  lies  like  a  rug  on  tv  for  the  past  many  years  in  defense  of  the nascar  scams,  didn't  know  what  was  going  on...  He  just  thought  he  was  in  so  tight with  the  mob,,,,   they  would  let  him  get  by  with  it...

It  has  to  be  their  idea  mikey..  you  have  to  wait  for  the  call....
Not leave  a  message  that you  figured  they  were  calling,,  and  don't  worry,,,  I TOOK  CARE  OF  EVERYTHING MISTA BRIAN,,,  SIR!

JS

[falcon325]

IN the end .. whether they do or not,.. the team is still responsible more see the car is legal AFTER the race... whether a part fails or not.
The only exception is if you actually see something happen on the track that would cause this,... an accident that damaged the rear spoilers, and fenders, etc.
If you will remember drivers USED to get up and stand on TOP of their cars,... of course some (I remember Rusty Wallace) JUMPING up and down on top of his car after he won a race, and crushed in the roof some.. so NO WAY a height stick could be used to measure ride height on the roof.  Thats when those silly goalpost looking things came into being for a while to PREVENT a driver from getting onto the roof when he climbed out of his winning car.

Height is a simple measurement.... it has a stick with a gauge, and it has two colors,.. red and green.  When you put the sticks on the roof, rear quarter, etc... if it shows green,.. you pass,.. if it shows red,.. you fail.  There is no "interpretition"
NO Grey area.... and no place for ANYONE to say,.. "Well we don't think they "intended" for this part to fail or did this on purpose"
INTENT is not the rule... the sticks TELL YOU,.. pass or fail.  And then according to what has happened to everyone else,.. fine or no fine, and points assessed.  Now it seems they are taking away points and assigning fines for everything,.. so THIS should be included in that.  Points penalty is what happens today... so JG should get one to... as another posted stated, they been giving out points penalties for some time now on ride height being too low,.. so they have a precedent also.  It's really a NO BRAINER,.. unless you are just LOOKING to let someone off the hook.

IN the PAST when teams failed the height sticks it may have been by as little as 1/8 inch... here we are talking about a WHOLE INCH.  That is FOREVER on ride height,.. especially when it comes to getting the rear spoiler out of the air.

Hmmmmm. 

OK.  So.  Chris.  I guess this means we can expect Clint Bowyer to be getting a nice healthy fine for that flat roof of his, right?      

[falcon325]

And, by the way, did you see the wad of turf poor Clint had to crawl out from under! 

Talk about agricultural racin'!!!

[Chris]

Hmmmmm. 

OK.  So.  Chris.  I guess this means we can expect Clint Bowyer to be getting a nice healthy fine for that flat roof of his, right?      

As I had stated earlier in my post...
The only exception is if you actually see something happen on the track that would cause this,... an accident that damaged the rear spoilers, and fenders, etc.
I think the car flipping on it's roof would qualify in that instance... LOL

[falcon325]

Why  can't  anybody remember that  Larry Carter left  mikey only  a  few weeks  back???  Not  under  good  terms  either...

Ah, that's a good point, outtaget.  And those rumors that somebody put up about David Hyder having a reputation of showing up at the small regional tracks with suspiciously fast cars does make you wonder how much attention Mikey paid to checking the guy out before he hired ‘em.  But unless you have inside info on exactly what went on between MWR and Larry Carter, you may be stretching your point too far.

But what intrigues me is that these crew chiefs get paid more than god.  Lose their crew chief job and what do they fall back on?  What’s Pete Rondeau doing these days?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_23_229/ai_n13802865

Given the strong incentive that a relatively unknown crew chief has to “hit a homer,” whatever the cost, I don’t think we should be quite so eager to try, convict and hang Mikey.

[supermod52]

NASCAR now makes rules up to cover situations that have already happened.  Somehow, that's just not right.  I've never heard of this new rule that it's legal to race back to the yellow on the last lap.  Anyone else?  When we were racing it was pretty simple.  You were legal or you weren't.  If you weren't you went home.  Sometimes (when the car count was low) you could race if you promised to fix the car by the next week.  I've owned about 9 different race cars, maybe more, over the years and not one of them was legal!  Neither were the other 25-30 guys we were racing against.  It was just a matter of a.  how well you hid it, or b.  how blatant it was.  I can fondly remember some cars shooting wonderful blue flames out their exhausts while the inspectors waited to pull a fuel check.  Today with so much money involved, it's too damned serious.  Back then it was fun.

[falcon325]

Well ya have to figure that when Jeffy started in 1993 the Competition wasn't nearly as Stout as it was when Stewart started in 1999. Basicly here is what I'm talking about.

J.Gordon has been in Nascar for 14 year's. In the first 7 he won 49 races. In the second 7 races he won 26. The level of Conpetition is let's say..........A little tougher so I would think that it woould take Stewart a little longer to get 75 Wins but He WILL do it. Oh and by the way, J.Gordons second 7 races started in 1999 which was Stewarts Rookie year. If you haven't started paying attention by now then I wouldn't even start cause it will be here before ya know it LOL.

Flame, flame, flame   

Since 1999, against that supposedly tougher competition, Mr. Stewart has won 29 races.

http://racing-reference.info/driver?id=stewato01

In that same period,  Mr. Gordon has won 33 races.

http://racing-reference.info/driver?id=gordoje01

[flamehothead]

Flame, flame, flame   

Since 1999, against that supposedly tougher competition, Mr. Stewart has won 29 races.

http://racing-reference.info/driver?id=stewato01

In that same period,  Mr. Gordon has won 33 races.

http://racing-reference.info/driver?id=gordoje01

Here is my point, Today you could have anyone of say 20 cars that COULD win a race but back in the mid to late 90's IMO there were not that many. I'm NOT saying that there wasn't any good Competition but just not as MANY Teams with Top Dollar Equipment as there is today.

I went back to 1999 and there were only 13 Different winners in 34 races but in 2001 there were around 22 Different winners in 36 races. I'm just saying that there are more teams that could win on any given weekend than there were back then.

[falcon325]

Yeah, I agree.  There are clearly more team who can win week to week.  But part of the reason that Gordon/Evernham won so often was Ray's meticulous preparation and ability to adjust the car to his driver's liking.  And he took the pit crew ballet to a whole new level.  Other teams began copying the 24 and the playing field leveled out.

A good discussion could be started about whether the individual competitors were harder to beat back then--Earnhardt, Rustyboy, Mark, Rudd, LaBonte, etc.  But then you would get into whether they were past their peak when Gordon/Evernham started seriously kicking butt. 

WRT Orange Crush, I come back to Darlington and rest my case.  And the truly unfortunate thing is that Fat Tony will never be able to prove that he can master the Lady in Black on a hot, humid Labor Day weekend race.  Unless NA$CAR puts him in the Southern/Eastern Division when it splits the teams into two leagues.  Or includes the REAL Southern 500 in the Chump Chase. 

Did you see that the King, DW and Biffle are going up to lobby for a track in the Pacific NW.  I tell ya flame, this two-league thang is coming.   

[flamehothead]

Did you see that the King, DW and Biffle are going up to lobby for a track in the Pacific NW.  I tell ya flame, this two-league thang is coming.

I'll believe it when I see it. And right now I don't see it happening anytime soon. Let's just say for S#*t's and Giggles that this does happen Ok. I think you would agree that J.Gordon, Dale Jr, Stewart And J.Johnson are the Biggest when it comes to Merchandise Sales and fan ratings, Right. And I AM NOT saying that the other drivers don't sale Merchandise but I am saying who the ones at the top are so PLEASE no HATE mail. Anyway, Let's just say that 3 of those 4 drivers end up in the same league and go to the NW. Could you imagine how much difference there would be between the 2 leagues and not to mention the TV Rating's along with all of the fan support that would go to the NW. I mean your talking about a Major Change here and the teams that are in the NW league are going to have to up and move the whole shop because it wouldn't be worth the Money to travel from the NW to N.Carolina to Pick-Up and to fix the race cars.

Now if ya mean that Nascar is going to start with all new drivers for out there then I might believe it but as for ANY drivers here in the South, I don't see them going ANYWHERE. Like I alway's say, If it Ain't Broke Don't Fix It and right now it might need a little repair but not an Overhaul like that.

[Tyyrus]

Ah, that's a good point, outtaget.  And those rumors that somebody put up about David Hyder having a reputation of showing up at the small regional tracks with suspiciously fast cars does make you wonder how much attention Mikey paid to checking the guy out before he hired ‘em.  But unless you have inside info on exactly what went on between MWR and Larry Carter, you may be stretching your point too far.

But what intrigues me is that these crew chiefs get paid more than god.  Lose their crew chief job and what do they fall back on?  What’s Pete Rondeau doing these days?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_23_229/ai_n13802865

Given the strong incentive that a relatively unknown crew chief has to “hit a homer,” whatever the cost, I don’t think we should be quite so eager to try, convict and hang Mikey.

Well it's going to be interesting Falcon..to see what Nascar States is that mistery chemical within the Fuel System..I'am staying with my 1st hunch...Castor Based Fuel Additive / Octane Booster...lets see how it plays out !

P.S. There is no way that Mikey did not know that he had a Fuel Advantage...just trying to save face with Toyota !

[falcon325]

Well it's going to be interesting Falcon..to see what Nascar States is that mistery chemical within the Fuel System..I'am staying with my 1st hunch...Castor Based Fuel Additive / Octane Booster...lets see how it plays out !

Yeah, but the tale now is that NA$CAR ain't talkin'.  Ya got any guesses as to why they would keep it hush-hush?

>>P.S. There is no way that Mikey did not know that he had a Fuel Advantage...just trying to save face with Toyota !<<

Ty, buddy, I'm glad your a Canuckian.  If I ever get in a felonious mood, I wouldn't want you on my jury.   

BTW, suppose that neither Mikey nor Hyder did it.  Who might have? 

I wonder how much security they have on these cars from the time the fuel cell is installed to the time some corporate suit mumbles, "Gentlemen, start your engines."   When Jeremy Mayfield’s car got busted for an illegal additive, didn’t it turn out to be an over-zealous crewman dumping some STP in?

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/date/20000502/news014513.html

Yeah, I know.  The crew chief is responsible….  But what I’m wondering about is how does an honest crew chief (no snickering here) make sure that no one else gets frisky?  For that matter, how do you keep some miscreant from dumping a pack of two of sugar down your tank?