Which did you think of, Lubricant's or Gas Station's?

[flamehothead]

Trying to find out if people think of Fuel or Lubricant's when they see Harvicks car. I know he has both on the Hood but I would just like to see if people really think Shell Gas Stations as soon as they see the car?

[sugar]

I think gas stations - but then I'm not into engines and that kind of thing where I might think more of lubricants.

[Tyyrus]

I think Petroleum Products...probably because Shell Rotella "T" (The Million Mile Oil) is all we Spec'd for all our Industrial Compressors and Steam Turbines..In our Steelmaking Process Plant. Also Rotella 15-40 Synthetic is what I run in my Ford F-250 Diesel . But I gues it's all in the Eye of The Beholder...Baby !

[skool]

But then again, if someone asked me to list five different gas stations (companies) Sunoco, would not be on my list.

Not having any Sunoco's in our area the only thing I think of when I hear Sunoco is the fuel that replace 76 in NASCAR.

The stink that Sunoco is making about Shell only serves to make me vow NEVER to buy fuel at a Sunoco. And I'm not all that fond of Shell, other than some childhood memories when I lived in CA.

[falcon325]

I'm not into engines and that kind of thing where I might think more of lubricants.

And "that kind of thing where I might think more of lubricants"?!!!!   

Sugar, honey, lead me not into temptation.   

But let me warn ya.  Toss out another slow, outside pitch like THAT one and I'm swingin' for the fence!   

[KurtBuschFan]

Gas station....so I guess I can see where Sunoco is coming from.  But damn....if NASCAR's gonna let him have the sponsorship they need to make sure they're aware of how everyone will feel....

[Chris]

I think Sunoco is making a big deal out of nothing...
this "no competition" clause is for the birds.
If SUNOCO wants to be something besides some "background" sponsor,.. let them put up another 20 million bucks and have THEIR name put on a CUP car like Shell, BP, Amoco, and other have done.
Hey,.. I'm sure thet NASCAR gouged them out of some major bucks for the fuel deal,.. but it's not a major "up front" sponsorship like sponsoring a car or team.

This no competition deal is a crock.  Competition is what made America great.  It's just a bunch of crap that because NEXTEL is the series sponsor, that now Verison, (and who did Cingular merge with that NASCAR won't allow to sponsor a car...??)

I guess if NEXTEL drops out and some other company like Texas Instruments (just as an example) was the new sponsor....
I guess we'd get to where we could never use Microsoft, Dell, Gateway, or any OTHER computer or digital component as a sponsor.
I just think thats wrong.  WIth these teams needing 'major fortune 500 companies as sponsors,.. we don't need to get to the point where ANY of them need to excluded for ANY reason.

[KurtBuschFan]

Well said Chris...well said

[Racergiant]

I don't know Chris....  I think Sunoco is paying more as a sponsor of "the Official Fuel of NA$CAR" than any of the sponsors on any of the hoods of any of the "Big 3".

Can you imagine how much fuel those guys burn on a race weekend?

Cup Series race? 

45 cars, times 20 gallons per pitstop (mini fuel cell tracks excluded...) = 900 gallons for one stop alone...  Add 5 more stops - that makes 4500 more gallons + the full tank of fuel at the start of the race - that makes another 900 gallons for a grand total of 6300 gallons.

Last price I saw for 110 octane was $5.00 / gallon a couple years ago.  Lets add another dollar just for inflation.   $6.00/gallon times 6300 gallons = $37,800.00.

Thats one series - one day.  Minus practices & qualifying.  Minus Busch series practices, qualifying and raceday...  Minus CTS series practices, qualifying and raceday...

It all adds up...

[flamehothead]

Gas station....so I guess I can see where Sunoco is coming from.  But damn....if NASCAR's gonna let him have the sponsorship they need to make sure they're aware of how everyone will feel....

That's what I thought Exactly KB. I Honestly don't see how Nascar could stop anyone other than a Cigerette company from coming in. I mean sure Sunoco is the Official Fuel Company of Nascar but they are not the ONLY Fuel Company that could supply Nascar with it. I also found this story over on Jayski.com, See what ya think?


Gulf Oil shows interest in Roush-Fenway: Roush Racing's 50-50 partnership with John Henry's Fenway Sports Group, finally announced last week at Daytona International Speedway, might show an immediate return. One of the Boston Red Sox's longtime partners, Gulf Oil, has expressed an interest in a sponsorship position with Roush. Gulf, a Fenway Sports Group client based in Chelsea, Mass., distributes motor fuels and lubricants in about 2,600 branded gas stations, with a footprint that extends from Ohio to the east and Delaware to the north. The company's 65-foot logo is painted on the left-field wall at Fenway Park. "NASCAR really never made sense for us before because it is a national play and we're a regional company," said Richard Dery, Gulf's vice president of branded marketing and sales. "A race at Daytona doesn't do us a lot of good, but a race at Loudon, N.H. -- that could be a really fun day." Dery said his discussions with Roush have involved sponsorships for select races in Gulf's footprint, primarily the July 1 Lenox 300 at New Hampshire International Speedway. Gulf also could become the official motor oil of Roush Fenway Racing. Fenway Sports Group and the Red Sox are sister companies, both owned by John Henry, who said he hoped the partnership with Roush would vault FSG into a prominent position in sports marketing.

[Chris]

OH I know what you are saying RG...
That was why I said in my post something about NASCAR gouging them,, and also them being more in the background.

If it's "exposure" they want... then they'd be WAY ahead to sponsor a car like they did years back,.. than mess with this race deal with NASCAR.... then they would be right up front for exposure.
SUpposedly when the teams go to the track,.. all their fuel they get for the weekend is free. (I have however been to a couple CTS series races where we had to pay anyway)

[Tyyrus]

OH I know what you are saying RG...
That was why I said in my post something about NASCAR gouging them,, and also them being more in the background.

If it's "exposure" they want... then they'd be WAY ahead to sponsor a car like they did years back,.. than mess with this race deal with NASCAR.... then they would be right up front for exposure.
SUpposedly when the teams go to the track,.. all their fuel they get for the weekend is free. (I have however been to a couple CTS series races where we had to pay anyway)

Very God Post Chris , my thought exactly , I never imagined Shell being thought of Gasoline for the reasons I have stated previously and knowing full well that Pennzoil was the actual Race Car Theme...but buy the reaction of you American Resident Race Fan's I can see where Sunnoco could have had a concern..I guess ? 

[sugar]

And "that kind of thing where I might think more of lubricants"?!!!!   

Sugar, honey, lead me not into temptation.   

But let me warn ya.  Toss out another slow, outside pitch like THAT one and I'm swingin' for the fence!   

Now, now, Falcon, get your mind out of the gutter! LOL

After I posted that, I knew I was in for it!

Actually after reading some of the posts here, I have to agree with Chris - competition is good, It is what makes this such a great country.  Just think if we all had to use the same products for our cars, building our homes, using our computers, etc..  It would be like eating chicken every night - crap that reminds me I forgot to bring my lunch to work! (yes it was chicken)

Anyway, I like this exchange of dialogue, I'm learning new things and that's great!

[smyler]

I know I'm just restating what I said before, but I think Sunoco is only asking for their contract with NASCAR to be honored.  I think it is NASCAR who is the culprit here.  Why should individual teams be penalized and not be allowed to have certain sponsors?  Obviously it is because NASCAR enjoys the money they make and they don't care about who it might hurt, in this case both Sunoco and Harvick (if Shell were to say they've had enough and withdraw their sponsorship) are getting damaged.

Nextel came into Cup long after Sprint, Cingular and Alltel did.  I think it is kind of petty for Nextel not to allow Cingular to change their name on the car, even though the company is changing to AT & T.

[skool]

"NASCAR's asking price to replace ConocoPhillips' 76 as its official gasoline brand is $15 million a year in barter and cash for at least 10 years,..."  That was from Jayskis back in '03.

The old deal with '76 was worth about 5 to 6 mil. a year. 

Notice a trend here? Thats what they did to Busch. Double the price of sponsorship. A-B said screw you just as 76 did and now we will have a new Busch series sponsor.

All about the bucks baby. Not a darn thing to do about the sport.

I like racing and many of its characters, however, with this sponsorship crap getting out of hand, it is almost to the point that I will go out of my way NOT to buy a product because they ARE associated with the entity of NASCAR. (Not the individual teams, but Brian France-ISC-Brand Sense-NASCAR-Americrowne)