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Voices From the Heartland · Jeff Meyer · Thursday July 22, 2010
“We got going on that restart, [he] knocked me out of the way, and I thought, I don’t care if I win this race or not; I don’t care if I finish this damn thing, I’m running into him and getting by one way or another,” Carl Edwards said after winning the Missouri-Illinois Dodge Dealers 250 last Saturday.
Oh, wait…my bad…wrong guy! Carl Edwards did not say that. Whoever it was, though, it sure sounds like they have nothing but intent to wreck the other guy, doesn’t it?
Hold on; I remember now. It was four-time (consecutive) champ, Jimmie Johnson! Had he lost his mind? I remember him saying he was so mad, he was going to wreck Kurt Busch after Busch nudged him to grab the lead at New Hampshire, and that was just a couple of weeks ago! Wow, Johnson must have been suffering from ‘roid rage if he, Mr. Vanilla, was going to purposely wreck someone for a simple bump and run!
So what is the difference, you ask, between Jimmie Johnson and Carl Edwards?
That answer is: plenty. Johnson had several more laps to go to try and catch Busch. He also had a crew chief telling him to calm down and “just hit your marks” to help him catch Busch. Edwards had no such luxury.
The thing about last Saturday night’s race is simple. It was simply a matter of time. Carl Edwards and Brad Keselowski had raced each other CLEANLY for 199 laps, with one exception (for which Keselowski apologized on the radio), and, of course, the final lap. There was no more time. There were no more laps. As Carl said, “I did what I had to do to win the race.”
I was stationed on the photographer’s scaffold just inside turn 2 all night long, and it was my observation early on that Keselowski was better than Edwards in 1 and 2. Brad could keep his car glued to the white line, and he did, the entire race.
Edwards, on the other hand, could keep it down there with fresher tires, but as the tires wore, it caused him to run just a bit higher. One ace up Carl’s sleeve was his straightaway speed, which was better than Keselowski’s, as well as Kevin Harvick, who was a major player most of the night.
Now, having said all that, I want to point out a thing or two for those in the media (most of my colleagues on this site) and the fans, who claim that Brad “just did a bump and run” or “he went in too hard and slid up” or “he just rubbed him a bit.” First and foremost, I say to all of you, BS!
As I write this paragraph, I pause once again, to watch the replay… yep, it is still the same! And you can watch it too on this fine posting on YouTube. Now, if you watch that video, and have one ounce of honesty in you, you can see a couple of things, starting at about 10 seconds into it. First of all, Keselowski is a full two and a half, if not three, lanes high in the turn. Secondly, (and this is where the honesty comes in) Keselowski turned RIGHT, into Carl’s left quarter, just as much as Carl hooked Brad on the other side coming out of turn 4. This move is further evidenced by the fact that you can see Brad correct back to the left!
So I don’t care what anyone says; Brad tried just as hard to wreck Carl in Turns 1 and 2 as Carl did coming down the stretch. The only problem was, much to Brad’s dismay and surprise I’m sure, was that Carl managed to save it.
Now, I ask you, had Brad managed to complete what he set out to do, would the resulting pileup been any less horrific? Would you then be calling for Keselowski’s head on a platter? I know for sure you wouldn’t have seen Carl’s dad on TV sniveling about how Brad “tried to kill my son!”
Now here is where it gets real interesting.
NASCAR itself did not want to levy ANY penalties against anyone! Apparently, they saw the replay without the clouded vision of my colleagues and a legion of whiny fans, taking the video of the action at face value. But… as with most things NASCAR nowadays, once the fans started whining, they felt they had to do something. So after a few days of peer pressure, the sport buckled, authorizing a penalty we barely see on the circuit. What amazes me most, though, is the fact that the consequences they did render fit the so called “crime” perfectly!
The penalty takes away 60 points from Carl, which is what he gained on Brad, probation, and a small fine. The beauty of it all, though, is they put Brad on probation, too! So, in essence, NASCAR has deemed that the whole thing basically didn’t happen, and at the same time, attempted to get the whiners to shut up! Way to go, NASCAR! You guys actually got this one right… as best as wishy washy fence sitters with no gonads can do.
Ironically, all the whiners who have called for Carl’s head are also mostly those who complain that, since its repaving, Bristol just isn’t Bristol any more, simply because they don’t need to wreck each other to pass! And you call Carl and Carl fans hypocrites?
Bottom line is, neither driver deserved anything more than what was done on the track; but if they had to be punished – the punishment was perfect!
One more parting shot before I go… WTF is up with “the whiny racing parent” being broadcast on TV? I understand their emotion, happy or sad, but they have no place on network TV. This is a big boy sport, let the boys fight their own battles! Parents always end up looking silly trying to fight for their kids!
That’s how I see it, so bring it on! I promise not to have my Dad respond to your misguided hate mail!
Stay off the wall (but never be ashamed to use it if you have to!),
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The new THREE STOOGES
If these three can not tell the difference between Rubbin and Wreckin they deserve each other.
I will agree that Brad intentionally got into Carl, but Jeff if you believe Brad could not have wrecked Carl you are an IDIOT.
Jeff you do not need to tell me if I do not like your columns not to read them after this week and the end of todays post. I will no longer be reading you or “Mr Thomas Bowles” or watching nascar. And I also will start doing the many things on my TO DUE list with the 5-10 hours that nascar has freed up for me.
I want to thank all three of you for freeing up all of this time.
THANK YOU JEFF
THANK YOU THOMAS
THANK YOU NASCAR
We’ve all watched the replays over and over. If you think Brad’s contact with the 60 justified Carl’s turning Brad hard into the wall on the straightaway and in front of the field, you need to be covering WWE and not Nascar.
Only one thing worse than we whiny fans, a fanboy writer.
LOL Oh! A wise guy, eh?
I can’t speak for the other two but, wcfan, you’re welcome!
Brad turned right? Duhhh…he was in the process of wrecking from going into the corner too hard. Have you ever spun on snow or ice? then you know you crank the wheel both ways to regain control. Idiot.
Finally someone called it as it was.Keselowski wrecked Edwards but Carl didn’t crash like Kes did.I’m sure he and his daddy would have nothing to say if Carl had hit the wall.Instead we get BWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!! He wrecked me! He tried to kill my boy! I’m puttin’ on my suit and fixin’ him!BBWWAAAAHHHHH!
Thank you for finally calling out the whiners.
You’re right…this was NASCAR’s way of shutting them up without really penalizing Edwards.
And I agree that if you actually watch the replays, you see a different story. Especially if you note that Keselowski got back on the gas after hitting the outside wall, causing his car-destroying inside wall crashes.
Right on Carl D.!! I am not a Brad K. fan at all, but in the words of Denny Hamlin, what Carl did was “dirty, just dirty”. I was never a Carl E. fan either, but I have lost a lot of respect for him. This is not the first time he has been overly aggressive and what made it worse is that Carl felt the need to brag about the whole thing and then had the nerve to do a backflip in Victory Circle like he was saying “F*** Y**” to everyone. That was just in poor taste and completely classless. The fact that Carl thinks he needs to go to such lengths to get a win (since he can’t seem to win in the Cup series these days)just proves how desperate he is. But, as I always say, what goes around, comes around, so Carl should probably watch his back.
NASCAR got it right. You can’t win the championship by deliberately wiping out your opponent. Reset the points. The wreck never happened. Carl gets a fine and probation to discourage bad behavior. Brad gets probation to note his complicity. I like it. Go Biffle!
I actually suspect Brad’s probation is to keep him from retaliating.
And the prize for the biggest whiner goes to …Jeff Meyer.
I’ll bet i can guess why you were stationed on the photogs platform . You were the guy getting coffee and doughnuts .
I SEEM TO BE ODD MAN OUT A LOT LATELY.GUESS IT IS BECAUSE I’M A CARL FAN AND A FAN OF YOURS, WHICH ISN’T GOOD ACCORDING TO SEVERAL OF THE LETTERS YOU RECEIVED TO DAY.MY HUSBAND AND I WERE SO GLAD YOUR EYES SAW THE SAME THING WE DID IN THE RACE LAST WEEKEND. AS FAR AS THOSE LEAVING. FINE.THEY WEREN’T REAL NASCAR FAN S ANYWAY!KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
good job Jeff.
My question is this, where was all this moral outrage last month when Jeff Gordon intentially wrecked 5 or 6 guys at Sonoma? The only ones upset then were those 5 or 6 drivers (esp Truex)
No more Jeff Myers for me. He likes people who have no regard for other racers or teams who have to fix wrecked cars. I suppose Jeff also defended Carl for sending Brad airborne? I was not a whiner. I was fighting mad!!
For all those he think what Carl done was racing you can have it. But I Guarantee this product will not last another 60 years.
I would like to see Carl try this with Curtis Turner, Lee Petty, Richard Petty, Cale, Tim Ricmond, or DALE SR.
I can not believe the number of “fans” defending Carl. How can anyone say he did not cross the line Sat.? We can debate if Brad deserved it or if nascar should be the one punishing Carl. But to intentionally spin someone at those speeds in front of the whole field is not racing in my book. I have followed racing and nascar for over 30 years and have to say it will be hard giving it up. But this is DAMN SURE not my nascar.
Let me say I do not like to see anyone intentionally DUMP someone. I like “good hard rubbin is racin” racing and understand at times people will wreck. I don’t care if it is Gordon, Johnson, Dale Sr.(He was my Driver) or anyone else intentionally wrecking someone is WRONG. These are “suppost” to be the best drivers they should not have to intentionally wreck someone to beat him.
Just a thought on the issue of Keselowski “running the white line” on all the laps except the last. I didn’t watch the race, but in the video of the last lap, Keselowski appears to “diamond” his line in both sets of corners. If that’s the case, then his “turn” into Edwards in Turn 1 may not be as intentional as some would think…
I never said Carl wasn’t wrong. He intentionally ran into Kes. Kes ran into him too. Gordon ran into guys at Sonoma.
You shouldn’t have to run into someone to pass them
I agree with pepper
and also no matter what Brad K did, Cousin Carl’s actions were completely out of line
You go Jeff!! You know, all these bleeding heart liberal cry babies whose average time as a nascrap fan is maybe 7 years, sure seem to know what the drivers are thinking and doing all the time. Frankly, I am sick of hearing them cry. But that is what they have done all their lives, run home to mommie!! He hit me!!…just make me sick!! Jeff nice comparison to JJ! You sir are dead on!! Keep writing what you see Jeff, for these excuses for men will attempt to censor you too for disagreeing with them! They are always right, just ask them!!
I did not get to see Sears Point, so I did not comment on Jeff’s(never been a fan) wild ride, but I believe he got somewhat of a pass because he does not have a history of INTENTIONALLY wrecking people.
Yes Jeff has wrecked his fair share of drivers, but he goes out of his way to make it look like “A Racin Deal” and does not brag about it.
To be honest I love the “Bump and Run” only when its My Driver is doing the “Bumping and Running”
I said nothing about censoring, Jeff can write anything he wants as long as fans like YOU continue to read him.
I have followed this sport for over 30 years and can not believe Long Time Fans agree with what Carl did was racing, Like I said above we can debate if Brad deserved it or if nascar should we the one handing out the punishment.
But I believe 20+ years ago this would have already been settled in the garage area with someone probably on there way to the hospital.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY!!!
LOVE THE BUMP’N & RUBBING
HATE THE WHINNER’S ON ALL DRIVERS ACCOUNTS.AND YES INCLUDING GORDON FANS…
Gordon doesn’t have a history of wrecking people and bragging about it? Tell that to Kenseth!
Wow – It took 4 days for someone to finally publish a decent article on this. Thanks Jeff.
Like Thomas Bowles I see that Jeff Meyer loves to kiss nascar’s ass.
Unlike to two of you I would prefer to never see Carl Edwards be succesful in injuring or killing another driver. He’s already injured a fan. Luckily, that fan wasn’t killed.
One can only hope that in the future Edwards is only successful in injuring or killing himself. Would you and Thomas Bowles “whine” about that? I bet you would.
Not me. I’d say good riddance to a sick, demented bastard.
This whiny fan calls BS on your interpretation of BK’s move. The linked video shows the rear of Brad’s car, thus you CAN’T SEE what Brad was doing. But, in turn 4, the live TV view showed Carl turning into Brad.
It looks like your point in invalid. Maybe from your exalted position (?) on the photographer’s stand, you saw something we didn’t, but the view from my seat was a bad corner and a steroid-crazed retaliation.
Carl needs to be tested before he kills someone in a Roid-Rage. His wife’s a Dr, right?
In the Edwards/Baby Brad penalty handout, NASCAR screwed the pooch, IMHO. * Both drivers should have lost points.
Both were at fault.
But let’s enable Baby Brad to continue his irresponsible driving style……..hit the other guy hard and hand slap the baby. I’m just sick of this punk getting away with “murder” on the track and his nutzo father butting in where he doesn’t belong. I’m not an Edwards fan, so I’m not upset about his penalty.
In fact, he should be barred from racing for using his car as a weapon…..on multiple occasions.
I am however, a huge fan of equalilty in penalties. If they aren’t equal, I see no point. His father, who seems to be dancing with only one foot on the floor needs to be removed from the track and media coverage. Daddy K and for that matter any parent, doesn’t need to come running to the rescue when their precious baby boy gets in over his head. If Baby Brad is man enough to instigate, he’s old enough to remunerate in consequences. I know this won’t be a popular opinion. I don’t care. Mr. Meyer, you’re a media type and you’re just doing your job….I don’t care if I think you’re wrong on some points. We’ll just agree to disagree. As far as the folks talking about dropping your column and NASCAR, fine. If you’re gonna let yourself be driven away, then we probably don’t need you as fans anyway.
Thanks for letting me sound off….even if I rambled….
There is only one constant on the Frontstench – whatever happens, NASCAR is wrong. Bye.
Let’s take a survey.
Who is okay with what Dale Earnhardt did to Terry Labonte TWICE at Bristol and not with what Carl did? Both spun the leader in front of the whole field on the last lap.
What’s the difference?
Another blinders on column by an amateur hack ..Big Edwards fan I’m guessing…Green Lights everyone
I think Carl was just sayin’ to Bucky K, “you hit me with a hammer, I will hit you with a sledge hanmmer.” Or as someone else said “I was just rattlin’ his cage”, Carl would be a candidate for the NASCAR Hall of Fame. Just sayin’
Jeff said whiny fans, not wussy fans. So calm down, he wasn’t speaking to you directly wuceefan.
Absolutely great article! So refreshing to see someone finally get it. It’s funny though, because when I first started reading the article I thought you were talking about Earnhardt vs. Waltrip at Richmond or Gordon vs Rudd at Charlotte.
great article Jeff thanks!
The fact that Earnhardt Sr. spun Terry Labonte and got away with it doesn’t make it okay today to put someone head-on into the wall. Senior is dead couresy of a head-on crash into the wall. Different circumstances, I know, but dead is dead. Naascar doesn’t need another fatality, especially at the hands of an overly aggressive driver.
Using your own theory of attributing what Jimmie Johnson said to Carl Edwards, did anyone ever tell you that actions speak louder than words?
JJ might have SAID what he said, but in reality, all he did was move Kurt Busch exactly like Kurt moved him.
Unlike your “hero” Carl Edwards who, rather than moving Brad like Brad moved him, hit him in the right rear quarterpanel and turned him head first into the wall. Lovely.
Can I understand someone SAYING they wanted to wreck someone, but their actions being that of a sane, rational human being? Yes.
Can I understand someone saying they intend to wreck someone, and then turn them on a straight, head first into a wall in retaliation for a bump in the left rear? Not in this lifetime…
One is absolutely justifiable venting, after not doing it. The other shows the impulse control of a two year old.
You people are all a bunch of damn babies…except for those defending Carl Edwards. You are all acting like it is the end of the world for Brad Keselowski. Trust me when I say this, Brad will win races and a Championship. Now, stop saying Carl is dumb, wreckless, stuipd, or whatever. Stupid idiots!!
Moooo. Just keep milking an udderly dead story. NA$CAR ruled, end of story.
Please tell me when Carl injured a fan??? I’m having a hard time remembering this…please tell.
I for one am now buying the article. Carl has some mental issues. As for Bette, I have season tickets at two race tracks and do my best to visit one other track every year. I also set my butt in front of the TV for all the other races. So don’t tell me I’m not a NASCAR fan. I just don’t want to see NASCAR turn into roller derby. Rubbing is racing, wrecking someone while you are experiencing some psycho rage is not. NASCAR should have put Mr. Edwards on the bench.
You don’t remember Talladega last year when the idiot (Edwards) tried to wreck Brad K. on the last lap? He was not successful and wound up getting airborne into the fence….7 fans were injured…6 with minor injuries and 1 with a broken jaw. Could have been much, much worse.
Luckily, no fans were injured this year at Atlanta when dumbass Edwards was successful in wrecking Brad K. sending him into the fence.
Brad K. is a racer. On the other hand Carl Edwards is a bonafide fool who has no business in a race car…anywhere…anytime.
Tim, you are the bonafide fool. At Talladega, Carl was trying to block Kes coming off 4, simply trying to keep his lead and hold off the other guy….just as been done a million times before by a million other racers. Carl blocked and got hooked, not on purpose by Kes, but that is just how those plate races work.
To blame Carl for those injuries just shows your lack of intelligence.
Even Carl wasn’t mad about that wreck, and he has made sure that the young lady that was seriously injured has been taken care of.
People like you crack me up. Does it hurt to be that stupid?
Exactly how did Edwards make sure the injured fan was “taken care of”?
If she had been killed and this asshole had attended the funeral I guess that would make it ok in your warped mind.
You obviously condone his actions at Atlanta also. What if someone had gotten killed there?
People like you don’t crack me up. There’s nothing funny about the serious side of this stuff. But a dumbass like you or Edwards don’t have the ability to comprehend anything rational. And that’s sad.
Tim, I never said a word about Atlanta. What Carl did there was way out of line compared to Gateway. Atlanta was simple revenge. The good thing that came out of Atlanta was the fact that nascar finally got rid of the wing, which was why the cars were so easy to get airborne, even though nascar still denies the wing was the problem to this day.
But anyway, you go on with your life and I will go on with mine. Whether you are alive or not does not affect my life one bit, just as I do not matter to you.
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