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Matt McLaughlin's Thinkin' Out Loud: Kobalt Tools 500 Edition

Matt McLaughlin · Monday March 10, 2008

 

The Key Moment: As Carl Edwards coasted to the pits with his car spewing smoke, Kyle Busch reasserted himself as the leader in a race he'd dominated. Greg Biffle gave it a shot, but there was no catching the No. 18 car on this day.

In a Nutshell: It's kind of sad when folks are going to remember more about what the second place finisher said after the race than the race itself.

Dramatic Moment: Edwards and Busch put on an intense — if brief — race on the restart after the seventh caution flag.

What They'll Be Talking About Around the Water Cooler This Week

How will Toyota's winning a Cup race have an effect on interest in the Cup series, a-hem, going forward? My guess is that ratings will spike briefly, as we now have a legitimate fight between the good guys (The Big Three) and the Bad Guys (Toyota). But long-term, I think Toyota beginning to dominate an American stock car racing series is going to start eroding the fan base. I never said a Toyota winning would be the end of the world — just the end of some folks’ interest in the sport.

Will there ever come a day when NASCAR officials think enough of the value of integrity in our sport that they'll actually take away a win from a driver whose car is found illegal in post-race inspection? This whole song and dance about not wanting to surprise fans who thought they saw some driver win on Sunday is getting old. We're all Big Boys and Girls; we've seen the results of Olympic events and bicycle races changed hours, days, and even months after the event. Whoever coined the term "Cheaters never win" apparently didn't watch stock car racing.

Was Tony Stewart blocking for teammate Kyle Busch in the waning stages of the race to ensure a Toyota win? A Joe Gibbs win, perhaps… but not Toyota. As it is, I think Stewart is just riding out his contract with JGR; he sure doesn't mention what sort of car he drives in many interviews.

What was the deal with Dale Jarrett blocking Kyle Busch there on the final lap of the race? Had Busch wrecked trying to get around Jarrett on that final lap, they'd have been falling on their swords in the boardroom back in Tokyo.

When Carl Edwards suggested everybody head back to Vegas Monday to restage the race, do you think the exhausted rig drivers began planning a blanket party for him?

Four races into the season, it’s hard to justify talk of a "Hendrick Slump" but the fact remains that Ford, Dodge, and Toyota have all won points races this season, while Chevy has not. If this keeps up, they'll have to change the new slogan to "Built to finish last, built to lose."

What is the deal with all the empty seats at Atlanta? Atlanta seldom sells out, but Sunday's crowd looked particularly sparse. Today's race isn't going to help sell many tickets to future events, either.

What is it with Junior on restarts? He looks like he's dragging an anchor.

Does it seem that Ryan Newman and Juan Pablo Montoya have had more than their fair share of run-ins together on the track?

Tony Stewart was none too happy after the Goodyear tire problems that plagued Atlanta Motor Speedway over the weekend.

Is Goodyear ever going to bring a tire the drivers are happy with to the track again? Tony Stewart surely doesn't seem to think so. Given his physique as of late, you might call this feud "the Battle of the Blimps."

Resolved: This whole Daylight Savings Time nonsense is a pain in the neck, but it sure is good to see a race start in the early afternoon again.

Resolved: In car camera shots should be used to show the on-track action, not to show who wrote FOX the big sponsorship checks.

The Hindenburg Award For Foul Fortune

Carl Edwards was leading and pulling away when his chances at the win went up in smoke, thus ending his shot at scoring a third consecutive win. The mechanical issue dropped Edwards to a 42nd place finish.

Elliott Sadler hit everything but the lottery Sunday afternoon. His spins were responsible for three of the day’s caution flags, and Sadler sounded relieved when he finally managed to finish off his ill-handling Dodge during the third wreck.

Ryan Newman was running fifth when a fender rubbing a tire — caused by an old friend, Montoya — forced him to the pits and off the lead lap. He finished 14th.

The Wood Brothers and Bill Elliott failed to qualify for another race when Dale Jarrett needed the previous champion's provisional. The No. 21 car has now failed to make three of four races this season.

For a second straight week, Jimmie Johnson and team appeared to have shown up poorly prepared for a race. It's not often you'll see Johnson getting lapped in an undamaged car; but the No. 48 needed the help of not one, but two Lucky Dogs before finishing as the last car on the lead lap in 13th.

Jacques Villenueve will have a buddy to help with yard work next weekend. A.J. Allmendinger was "temporarily" relieved of his ride in the No. 84 this week; substitute Mike Skinner brought the car home 27th.

The "Seven Come Fore Eleven" Award For Fine Fortune

Kyle Busch and the No. 18 team seemed to have thrown away a win when he didn't stop during the sixth caution period. Cars on four fresh tires quickly dispatched Busch, but a quick caution allowed him to get fresh rubber and fix a possible mistake. Busch also survived a pit road bumping incident with the No. 88 and numerous close calls to score his win. Combined with his Truck Series victory on Friday and a dominant performance in Saturday's Nationwide race, it was a pretty decent weekend for the young man.

Matt Kenseth had to start out back after an unapproved transmission change prior to the race. He went a lap down early, but managed to get back on the lead lap and drive to a Top 10 finish (8th). Combined with his win Saturday, it was also a pretty good weekend for Kenseth.

Dale Earnhardt, Jr. had an eventful day on pit road. Tony Stewart ran into the back of the No. 88, putting Earnhardt sideways into his pit. Then, Kyle Busch and Earnhardt rubbed fenders battling off pit road, and it's amazing the No. 88's front fender wasn't knocked into the tire. At another point in the event, Junior was ready to pit thinking he had a flat tire, but was eventually saved by the yellow flag. Considering all that, a third place finish was a pretty decent result.

A year ago, Brian Vickers was struggling to qualify for races. This year, he's finished twelfth or better in three of four Cup points races run to date.

It looks like the majority of the Cup team's bodymen have a light work week ahead of them, unusual after Atlanta. Those guys ought to be hard at work after Bristol, though…

Worth Noting

  • Six drivers: Kyle Busch, Greg Biffle, Kevin Harvick, Kasey Kahne, Dale Earnhardt, Jr., and Tony Stewart have three Top 10 finishes in this year's four races. Busch is the only driver with Top 5 finishes in three of those four races.
  • The Top 10 finishers drove three Toyotas, five Chevys, and two Fords. Kurt Busch in eleventh was the best finishing Dodge driver.
  • Sam Hornish, Jr.'s 25th place finish was the best by a rookie.
  • Clint Bowyer scored his first Top 10 finish since Atlanta last fall.
  • Brian Vickers (9th) drove to his best finish since Fontana last September.
  • Drivers still looking for their first Top 5 result in 2008 include Denny Hamlin, Mark Martin, Kasey Kahne, Martin Truex, Jr., Clint Bowyer, Bobby Labonte, and Elliott Sadler.

What's the Points?

Kyle Busch retook the points lead from Carl Edwards midweek when the No. 99 team's penalties were announced. He opened that lead up to 73 points over Greg Biffle, who moved up four spots to second in the standings.

Brian Vickers and Matt Kenseth both advanced four spots in the points to ninth and 12th, respectively. Dale Earnhardt, Jr. and Tony Stewart each advanced three spots to eighth and ninth, while Kevin Harvick and Jeff Burton ahead of them moved up one spot to third and fifth.

On the down side, Carl Edwards tumbled ten spots to 17th after his mechanical problem. Kasey Kahne fell three spots to sixth, while Martin Truex also fell three spots to 11th. Ryan Newman dropped a spot to fourth.

OK, I get it with the penalty and all, but how is it a driver who has won two of four races this season is 17th in the standings and Kevin Harvick, who is third in the points, has just one Top 5 result in those four events? In most racing series, a win counts for a lot more than it does in NASCAR.

If the Chase were to start next week (which I am reasonably certain it will not), among the big name drivers currently outside the Top 12 in points are Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon, Clint Bowyer, and Carl Edwards.

Overall Rating (On a scale of one to six beer cans, with one being a stinker and a six pack an instant classic) : We'll give it two cans of rice beer. There was damn little passing, not much action, and a runaway victory unlike the Atlanta of old. The CoT flunked its first test on the high banked superspeedways.

Next Up: It's off to Thunder Valley of Bristol, TN, for the first short track race of the season.

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marc
03/10/2008 03:58 AM
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Matt “I think Toyota beginning to dominate an American stock car racing series is going to start eroding the fan base.”

You mean like your assertion it’s already happened in NCTS?

Oh wait… that was proven to be false.

Matt “The CoT flunked its first test on the high banked superspeedways.”

Ahem… Atlanta ia considered to be an intermediate track. The CORN passed with flying colors at it’s only Superspeedway test this year with near record number of green flag passes at Daytona.

dr
03/10/2008 07:21 AM
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I don’t know what race you were watching, Marc. That was the worst race I have ever witnessed. When the leader of the race has to struggle to keep the car from swapping ends when he is in clean air, says a lot about the car and the tire. After 35 years, I’ve about had my fill of NASCAR and am seriously considering other interests to pursue on Sunday afternoons.

Joe
03/10/2008 07:45 AM
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Your anti-Toyota bias is laughable, Matt. I know, I know, they along with illegal aliens are destroying the economy…

Love him or hate him, Kyle Busch has probably been the class of field in each race only to have some gremlins keep him out of Victory Lane. I don’t remember all this anti Daimler sentiment when Dodge came back into NASCAR. Hell, you put all 4 makes together and cover the front grille, you can’t tell which is which. You knew that Toyota was going to win a few once they got a real team in the fold and I contend that Toyota was using the second half of last season for testing purposes only as the only real viable driver seemed to be Blaney.

As for Stewart, there was another guy who used to gripe after plate races even though he was pretty good at them and we know how that story ended. NA$CAR needs to listen to Stewart or we may have a Neil Bonnett/Rodney Orr replication. Of course that is what it will take for NASCAR to act.

Ed
03/10/2008 08:47 AM
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All Toyota needed was a real team. Wonder what they think about Miserable Mikey now? I agree, I think the only fans who are going to finally stick with NASCAR as Toyota begins to dominate over the next year or two, will be the fickle “newbies” who think a hot car is a civic with big wing and a muffler that sounds an electric razor.

Mike
03/10/2008 09:04 AM
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In the good old days, anything 1 mile or larger was defined as a superspeedway. Charlotte, The Rock, and Darlington were all considered to be superspeedways. So, since Atlanta is 1.54 miles, it fits the originial definition of a superspeedway. It wasn’t until the advent of the cookie cutter tracks that the term “intermediate” track really started getting used.

The only real passing was either a rare lead swap, through pit stops, or cars getting lapped by the leaders.

If there was some passing going on, they sure didn’t show much of it on TV, but by golly DW was sure leading the cheerleaders for Busch. He’ll replace Junebug as DW’s favorite if this keeps up.

I think the drivers have a legitimate complaint about the tires. It took NASCAR how many years to develop the Car of Tedium and they’re still working on the tires?

I’m not a Tony Stewart fan but he did bring up a good point on Goodyear’s track record. It’ll be interesting to see if he gets to keep his opinion under the new “back to basics” thing or if he’ll be fined under “actions detrimental to stock car racing”.

The complaints about the aero problems from last season seem to be holding true this season also. Didn’t the original PR release about the Car of Tedium say that the design would eliminate the dependency on aero? It definitely isn’t living up to it’s hype. So far it’s shown that it’s more aero dependent than the previous car was.

And if you think it’s bad now, just wait. They still have an engine downsizing to go through before 2010 according to the “grand plan” from Daytona.

JGR Fan
03/10/2008 10:00 AM
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“Given his physique as of late, you might call this feud “the Battle of the Blimps.””

What are you twelve? Resorting to fat jokes to sell your case is completely juvenile! Your article lost all creditibility with one sentence!

With all the racing experience and success Tony Stewart has had in ALL forms of racing, his opinion should be respected, whether you agree with him or not, regardless of how much he weighs. Real journalists can write great columns without belittling the greats of the sport. You should take a lesson from some of them

mmack
03/10/2008 10:51 AM
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“I think Stewart is just riding out his contract with JGR; he sure doesn’t mention what sort of car he drives in many interviews.”

Well, Smoke can come over and drive in the new “mergified” IRL, where they race on Firestones, when his contract is up. There he can try to win the Indianapolis 500 he’s never gotten. And perhaps I’ll be made the King of England.

“I never said a Toyota winning would be the end of the world — just the end of some folks’ interest in the sport. “

I have to admit, Matt, that I came here today to see if your brain went supernova and exploded when Kyle won yesterday. As I rhetorically asked my wife when we tuned in to the end (last 30 laps) of the race: “What’s going to be harder for the old time NASCAR fans to take: A Busch brother winning a race, a Toyota winning a race, or a Toyota driven by a Busch brother winning a race?”

The way I look at it, it’s just a “Toyota”, “Ford”, “Chevrolet” or “Dodge” engine in a NASCAR approved generic body anyway. It’s as close to a stock engine as the “Honda” engines used in the IRL.

Margo L
03/10/2008 11:47 AM
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No giant clap of thunder and the sky turning black . No frogs falling the the sky . Not the end of everything as we know it . Gee Matt , the first win by Toyota wasn’t as dire as you have led us to believe .
Rather than reducing the NASCAR interest of some fans , i suspect that there are probably a number of potential new fans to be brought into the fold because of Toyota . The sales figures for new cars says there are a lot of Toyotas being sold in the US . And many of them are possibly purchased by people who so far have had no reason to be interested in NASCAR .

Mark
03/10/2008 12:37 PM
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After being a NA$CAR fan for over 40 years i could give numerous reasons why this sport is going in the crapper. I’ll just give one here, Darrell Waltrip. I saw the respone from Mike posted here today and he is dead on. Waltrip was about to wet himself when a toyota was coming to the line. Just like his comment on the last lap at Daytona when he was boasting that it was a “toyota dragrace’. On trackside friday i noticed this speed shirt had a toyota logo on it. It’s not hard to see his bias. It becomes painful to have a race on with him announcing with his blatant bias. Maybe all that hair dye seeped into his head and ruined what brain there was left. toyota will do to this series what it has done to others, it’s only a matter of time.

mike
03/10/2008 03:54 PM
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What junk….

Matt, you wrote;

“I think Toyota beginning to dominate an American stock car racing series is going to start eroding the fan base”

So Chevy can win 2/3rds of the season and everythings ok? No thanks.

Rob F
03/10/2008 03:55 PM
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I think if Matt had any “creditability” he’d be engaging in actual journalistic endeavors instead of slumming around offering his pennies’ worth of reactionary hogwash. I guess “Aces and Eights” didn’t sell very well, mm? Here’s irony for you – the NASCAR Matt rhapsodizes nostalgiac about isn’t as good as he remembers… and it never was. The sport has changed a thousand times in so many different ways since it was born in that first 1948 meeting – and it will keep changing. The day it STOPS changing to cater to curmudgeons like Matt and the “fans” who will go off in a huff because of a (gasp!) Toyota victory is the day the sport will wither and die. There are folks still around, Matt, who are STILL grousing about your Utopian version of NASCAR being a crappy, pale version of the real thing – you’re just one whittle and chair rock away from joining them.

marc
03/10/2008 04:29 PM
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dr “I don’t know what race you were watching, Marc. That was the worst race I have ever witnessed.”

dr, let me paraphrase that for you: “I don’t know what” comment you were reading but I never mentioned the quality of, or lack of same of the Atlanta event. Try reading next time.

dr “After 35 years, I’ve about had my fill of NASCAR and am seriously considering other interests to pursue on Sunday afternoons.”

Your choice dr, but may I suggest the PFL as an alternative form of entertainment?

It might be a bit closer to your speed consider you claim to be a fan of such long standing yet have zero since of history and can’t remember the days of 2-4 lap victories in days gone by.

marc
03/10/2008 04:42 PM
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A special note to all you “old schoolers” who haven’t a clue about or have forgotten what old school was. You wanna whine and complaint about Atlanta Sunday, it’s your choice, but it was far better than many in the past.

Atlanta Spring 1998, Bobby Labonte wins with only 8 on the lead lap with another five a lap down.

Atlanta Spring 1988, Dale Sr wins, only two on lead lap, three a lap down.

Atlanta Spring 1978, Bobby Allison wins and is the only car on the lead lap, next four are a lap down the the rest of the field is 3 or more laps behind. Brother Donnie Allison is declared the winner of the November event after the crowd of 40,000 thought Richard Petty had nipped Dave Marcis in a race to the finish. NASCAR scorers failed to notice that Allison had passed both Petty and Dave Marcus with three laps remaining. Donnie’s Hawaiian Tropic Chevy was one of only three on the lead lap.

Atlanta Spring 1968 the winner Cale Yarborough and second place finisher LeeRoy Yarbrough are only two on lead lap.

marc
03/10/2008 07:22 PM
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And BTW Matt… here’s another nail in YOUR Toy/NCTS hating coffin:

Television ratings for the Atlanta NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series race were up 31 percent according to Nielsen Media Research. Friday night, the race scored a 1.05 (753,000 households), a significant increase over last year’s .80 (565,000 households).

Copperhead
03/10/2008 07:22 PM
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Did they announce “Free Beer at the Concession Stands” over the loudspeakers right when Busch crossed the finish line? I was watching the crowd right after Toyotas historic first win and there appeared to be a stampeed for the exits. No fist pumping and celebrations from the crowd as far as I could see, but just a mass exit.

Remember when Toyota first came to the truck series and the first thing they did was to give a team to both Dee Double U and Mc Reynolds? Nothing like buying some good press from the announcing booth. To this day DW still pulls on the Toyota Pom Poms on race day.

Enjoy your good old new days Marc. Nascar looks to me like open wheel circa 1992, and I know because I was there as a fan during those days and still remember it well. Those were the halcion days of the great Ford vs Chevy vs Mercedes battles with a few V6 Buicks thrown in for dramatic effect. Hopefully with the reunification those days will be here again.

marc
03/11/2008 02:10 AM
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Cooperhead “Remember when Toyota first came to the truck series and the first thing they did was to give a team to both Dee Double U and Mc Reynolds? Nothing like buying some good press from the announcing booth.”

And your implication is what, that NASCAR shouldn’t allow it? Or NASCAR should intervene and dictate who, how and why it’s TV partners select their on-air talent?

That aside, Toyota hardly needed it did they. The brand has done very well and as demonstrated at the box office and via those sitting in front of their idiot boxes the NCTS has prospered.

You have a problem with DW’s pom-poms, call Fox they pay his salary.

And perhaps the “mass exit” (sic) you speak of was partially to blame for Kyle Busch’s relative unpopularity rather than any mass hatred for Toyota or it’s win on Sunday.

Somehow I doubt if you’ll ever concede that point.

Or did you take a exit poll at Atlanta to prove otherwise.

Sam
03/11/2008 03:21 PM
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Want to improve
competition and have side by racing again? Get rid of the bump stops and make them use normal springs and shocks.

Matt
03/11/2008 06:01 PM
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Television ratings for the Atlanta NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series race were up 31 percent according to Nielsen Media Research. Friday night, the race scored a 1.05 (753,000 households), a significant increase over last year’s .80 (565,000 households).

Hmmm. Let’s look at this logically. What’s different this March than last. Well for one thing, network TV is still suffering from the ill effects of an extended writers strike so there is little to no new fare on the big four networks. So perhaps some folks gave the truck race a shot rather than watch a repeat episode of a sit-com or crime drama for the third time. In fact much original programming on the cable networks has been enjoying great ratings for exactly that reason.

Secondly, Friday night the mid-section of the country and the northeast were battered by a record breaking winter storm Friday night. Traveling on the highways was forbidden in some states. That sort of situation often boosts TV ratings. Witness the 1976 Daytona 500.

Finally it seems that each year the regular “March Madness” NCAAM playoffs start later and it takes longer to reach the money rounds. In fact I think this year they are calling it the “Spring Tournament” so the networks have some original programming to fill in the gaps.

Can we take the above into account or in your infinite wisdom can you cite references that say that isn’t the case. The three truck races viewership to date doesn’t equal an episode of “Cavemen” which is considered a ratings disaster. Oh, and a typical episode of Pinks on the same network draws more fans.

Finally as to the point that Toyota owners will become NASCAR fans I know some Toyota owners. In fact two of my sisters or thier husbands have Toyotas. In my experience folks who drive Toyotas buy them because they are reliable, economical and well made cars available at a decent price. They do not feel passion for thier cars. How can you feel passionate about a Camry, a Sienna or a Prius? The Toyota owners I know look at thier cars like they look at thier fridges or washing machines. They don’t think about them much as long as they are operating properly. Perhaps you are passionately in love with a Camry…or a Frigidaire for that matter. Me I can’t even tell you what brand fridge or washing machine I own. They do the job so I don’t care nor do I feel any affection towards them. When they quit doing the job they’ll be pushed to the curb.

Contrast that to guys and gals who are into Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers. or any classic American iron. They feel passionately about thier cars. Same with the American truck guys. If you’re born a Ford truck man, you’ll probably die a Ford truck man. Same with Chevy and Dodge loyalists. It’s almost a religous thing and the big three and Toyota have found limited success gathering converts from other denominations. So be it. If you own a car, any car, that you don’t look over your shoulder as you walk away from it and smile I feel sorry for you. I don’t care if it’s the Ford truck, the 76 Trans Am, the Harley, any of the old Chevys or the triple black 88 Town Car I always look back and smile. I work hard to pay for my toys and I enjoy playing with them. (Buy the way Eights and Aces paid for the Monte and the mods to it..thanks!) As it stands written, he who dies with the most toys win. He dies with the most Toyotas has misspent his life.

marc
03/11/2008 08:16 PM
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Matt

“Well for one thing, network TV is still suffering from the ill effects of an extended writers strike so there is little to no new fare on the big four networks. So perhaps some folks gave the truck race a shot rather than watch a repeat episode of a sit-com or crime drama for the third time.”

Perhaps they did, but that fails to explain a couple things. The storms were only in the central and eastern part of the US, and secondly the NCTS being on Speed, and Fox for the Fontana event impacts viewership as it relates to rating numbers.

Your hypothesis also fails to explain why both Cup and NCTS ratings are up across the board. Was there massive snow/rain storms during the other events already run?

Not only not likely, but factually incorrect.

Both Speed and Fox are not part of every basic cable package and both get far less penetration than network tv.

“The three truck races viewership to date doesn’t equal an episode of “Cavemen” which is considered a ratings disaster. Oh, and a typical episode of Pinks on the same network draws more fans.”

There you go with another “patented by Matt” disingenuous argument again.

There is no valid comparison between network and cable TV and the same for any between vastly different shows, i.e. the NCTS and Pinks.

From that point to the end of your treatise is nothing but more than a demonstration in confusing the issue with anecdotal “evidence” of passion or lack thereof over Americans feelings towards Toyota.

Wanna try again… really?

This time with something that resembles reality.

marc
03/11/2008 08:33 PM
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And BTW Matt, you’ve had yet another Homer-like D’OH moment.

“That sort of situation often boosts TV ratings. Witness the 1976 Daytona 500.”

It was the 1979 Daytona 500 that was broadcast live in it’s entirety and had high ratings because of a large East Coast snow storm.

So once again facts and Matt fail to converge.

Is it any wonder why you got the bums rush out of Racing One’s door?

Matt
03/11/2008 08:33 PM
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If you can find me a basic cable plan that doesn’t include FOX we’ll discuss this matter futher.

What’s so different about Pinks and the NCTS. Same amount of homes can watch each. Both involve racing cars. You can watch either. Or both. But more people watch pinks.

Put down that knife son. You gone poked yourself in the eye again.

Let me try to find a example simple enough for you to understand when discussing truck TV ratings. Let’s say you have a diner that seats 100 folks but only ten people show up on a typical evening. Then one night a large party stops in and you have fourteen guests. Then I suppose you could say that you had a forty percent larger crowd that night because it’s easier than explaining why you have 86 empty seats. So maybe you try changing the menu from sushi to burgers?

Matt
03/11/2008 08:40 PM
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You are correct. It was the 1979 Daytona 500 that got the ratings boost from the snowstorm. Which incidentally didn’t effect California, the Southwest etc.

Is it any wonder why you got the bums rush out of Racing One’s door?

Yes, I often lay awake at night feeling like I was rushed from the Titanic to a lifeboat as the once proud SpeedFX/RacingOne site became the house schill for the ISC that bought them. Like Jerry’s song of so many years ago went “if I were to tell you all that went down, it would talk off both of your ears…goes to show you don’t ever know, watch each card you play, and play it slow, then wait until that deal goes down….” If it weren’t for the money those whores still owe me I’d have forgotten they existed.

Copperhead
03/12/2008 01:14 AM
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As a matter of fact Marc, there was a major winter storm across the Midwest on the day of the Daytona 500 this year. I know because it affected me.

In my opinion guys who constantly cut and paste are annoying, but hey, that’s just me.

marc
03/12/2008 01:25 AM
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Matt “If you can find me a basic cable plan that doesn’t include FOX we’ll discuss this matter futher.”

That very debatable at this point your usual MO is to go off on some tangent unrelated to the point.

Why talk Fox…Speed covers the NCTS events. If one had the slightest bit of intellectual interest they could go to Speeds home page and find out.

Of you could have a partial list handed to you via silver platter.

Of course that would also entail you going thru said list and noting some of the most expensive “all inclusive” cable packages fail to include SpeedTV.

P.S. you will also note FoxSports in also missing on some systems.

Funny how that works.

“What’s so different about Pinks and the NCTS. Same amount of homes can watch each. Both involve racing cars. You can watch either. Or both. But more people watch pinks.”

So what your saying is the audience for Pinks, a show dedicated to non-professionals drag racing, equates to a highly professional racing series.

Your choice, but highly doubt you’d find many to agree with you, least of all advertisers who I suspect pay a higher rate for the NCTS than Pinks.

“Let me try to find a example simple enough for you to understand when discussing truck TV rating”

Yadda…yadda…yadda.

You were saying… Oh that’s right, nothing, because once again you make a sad attempt at confusing the basic issue. The ratings increase flys in the face of everything you’ve posted within the last two weeks and has zero to do with percentage of increases but the simple fact they have.

“Yes, I often lay awake at night feeling like I was rushed from the Titanic to a lifeboat as the once proud SpeedFX/RacingOne”

Could be… but I suspect you could search that site from now til next Speedweeks and find less factual errors than you’ve posted in just the last two weeks.

I.E. purposefully posting the NCTS ratings and leaving off those of 2007 because they had increased and didn’t fit your agenda. Or did I miss something, if so point me to the site that also did the same and also datelined after say Dec, 2007. Because frankly I never saw one site that listed NCTS ratings from 2004 thru 2007 where ’07 wasn’t included yet shocker of all shockers you did. (got a link there guy?)

Being a “shill” or not being one for any network, website has nothing to do with accuracy in reporting.

Opinions obviously differ, facts? Sorry it doesn’t work that way.

marc
03/12/2008 01:33 AM
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Cooperhead “As a matter of fact Marc, there was a major winter storm across the Midwest on the day of the Daytona 500 this year. I know because it affected me. In my opinion guys who constantly cut and paste are annoying, but hey, that’s just me.”

Oh yeah.. they kinda P.O. me too can you point to a recent example?

Or would you rather ignore what was discussed before and move on?

Susie
03/12/2008 03:08 PM
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“On the Broken Wings of Badyear…”

But I digress.

Matt, why waste your hard-earned letters on a guy who thinks he knows absolutely everything there is to know about the entire universe?

He doesn’t.

marc
03/12/2008 06:12 PM
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Susie “Matt, why waste your hard-earned letters on a guy who thinks he knows absolutely everything there is to know about the entire universe? He doesn’t.”

And who might that be Susie? Too timid to name names?

Joe
03/12/2008 11:18 PM
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Marc,

you’re destroying your credibility by incessantly cutting and pasting and thus dissecting each and every point someone makes.

As for Matt and the passion that Toyota drivers don’t feel for their vehicles, some of us don’t define ourselves by our vehicles, probably to make up for inadequacy in some other facet of life.

I have owned Toyotas because I like a car that gets 30 plus miles per gallon. I am a NASCAR fan for the sport. If I had the disposable income I’d buy a Monte Carlo decked out in Kelloggs colors circa Terry Labonte 1996, but I don’t.

marc
03/13/2008 04:38 AM
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Joe “Marc, you’re destroying your credibility by incessantly cutting and pasting and thus dissecting each and every point someone makes.”

Really? Well lets talk about your “credibility,” first you overstate your case. I haven’t been “dissecting each and every point” someone or everyone.

I’ve been very selective, guess you didn’t notice.

Overstating your case at times means you have no other point. Is that the case Joe?

Secondly, a little instruction is in order. I’ve been blogging for five years, four on NASCAR and racing in general.

It is common practice on racing blogs and most political blogs and in an aid to understanding, when commenting on something specific in a thread to quote what is in dispute or needs ref to.

The fact of the matter is many blog aps include himl buttons including italics, boldface, blockquote etc. for just that purpose.

Now, do you feel better, you’ve learned something?

Or was my first impression correct, you have zero to counter what I’ve posted or that of others and you just tossed that ill advised remark out there to see if it would stick?

Joe
03/13/2008 09:36 AM
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congrats, Marc. You have successfully hijacked this thread. I could go on and on about how I’ve written for NASCAR websites for the past 10 years but why bother, you’ll just go to the cut and paste routine then give me a dissertation on blog etiquette.

It’s your world my man. We just pay rent.

Oh and it’s Dave MARCIS, not MARCUS. I hate it when people go to the grammar and spelling card.

marc
03/13/2008 10:06 PM
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Joe “congrats, Marc. You have successfully hijacked this thread. I could go on and on about how I’ve written for NASCAR websites for the past 10 years but why bother”

Yeah you could, but what’s the point? What possible relevance would it have?

Forgive me for asking but just who was it that inappropriately complained about “cut & pasting” something that had ZERO to do with the thread.

That would be you my man, then you have the audacity to complain about hijacking the thread when it is explained in very plain language why it is not only permissible to cut and paste but it is a common feature.

I could have been a real dick and pointed you in the direction of the “Formatting Tips” just to your left that explains how to do just what you are crying about.

Just what do you think that’s it used for, decoration?

“Oh and it’s Dave MARCIS, not MARCUS. I hate it when people go to the grammar and spelling card.”

Then why go that way? Trying to hijack the thread?

Matt
03/14/2008 07:36 PM
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Marc,

Do you work for Goodyear by any chance. You certainly are Tire-some.

marc
03/15/2008 04:54 AM
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Matt “Marc, Do you work for Goodyear by any chance. You certainly are Tire-some.”

Keep your day job, as a comedian you wouldn’t have a paycheck large enough to pay attention.