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Matt McLaughlin's Thinkin' Out Loud: Aaron's 499

Matt McLaughlin · Monday April 28, 2008

 

The Key Moment: A ten car wreck on the white flag lap drew a caution and sealed the win for Kyle Busch just as the outside line was mounting a challenge.

In a Nutshell: It’s contrived excitement, but you just can’t look away.

Dramatic Moment: The last thirty laps of the race were all nailbiters.

The 20 and 88 car tangled to set off the customary Talladega smoking pig pile of a wreck on lap 173.

Had Tony Stewart not been able to keep his car up against the wall after cutting down a tire on lap 143 while leading, he almost certainly would have triggered a wreck that would have eliminated most of the field.

What They’ll Be Talking About Around the Water Cooler This Week

Was Kyle Busch’s winning pass made with two tires beneath the yellow line? If so, was he forced out of bounds?

Dario Franchitti’s fractured ankle once again highlights the other side of the equation for the Buschwhackers. It’s tough to explain to your Cup sponsors why you can’t race on Sunday after getting hurt in the Little League race on Saturday. In Franchitti’s case — while he can use all the laps he can get in a stock car trying to hasten his learning curve — the two plate tracks shouldn’t be part of his schedule on Saturdays.

With three Cup wins this season, Carl Edwards has become NASCAR’s head cheerleader for the new Fat Car. But other drivers are seemingly far less enamored of these pigs. Ryan Newman speculated this weekend that Michael McDowell’s barrel roll crash at Texas was a result of the new car’s higher center of gravity. When asked why he chose to run in the Nationwide Series races, Tony Stewart was typically blunt. “They’re designed to handle good,” he explained, “So for at least for 50 percent of the weekend, you get to drive a car that feels like a race car instead of a car that feels like a dump truck. “

If you want some clue as to why Tony Stewart is posturing as if getting ready to leave Joe Gibbs racing, review the video of Stewart in Victory Lane. While he thanked the Old Spice people, he once again failed to mention Toyota. And yes, Tony Stewart fans, I too was touched by his interaction with that Make-A-Wish child. He isn’t all bad.

With Stewart, Newman, Biffle, Truex, and Edwards all considering their options, it looks like this year’s Silly Season game of musical chairs could get as interesting as last year’s Battle of the Earnhardts.

Today’s obscene gas prices seem to be cutting into ticket sales at most tracks. Perhaps that explains the uptick in the TV ratings this year? NASCAR’s not alone in facing the challenge of rising fuel prices. Despite spectacular weather, the crowd at the Carlisle Swap meet I attended last week was the thinnest I recall in decades. Friday and Saturday’s crowds seemed about the same as last year, in part due to the auction, but the number of RVs parked in and around the fairgrounds also seemed to have declined dramatically.

For those of you keeping score at home, Joe Gibbs-prepared Toyotas have now won six of the ten Nationwide series events this season, including the last four consecutive races. There is no challenge so large that throwing cubic acres of cash at it can’t solve.

Jeff Gordon wasn’t exactly all smiles after his 2008 winless streak was extended at Talladega.

Is Jeff Gordon ever going to win one of these things again? Think Rick Hendrick is beginning to think a Busch in hand is worth two in the bird?

What was the point of FOX’s “All You Can Eat” segment with one of their production assistants? Was anybody else waiting to see the fat man hurl? FOX with an extra half-hour to fill in a prerace program is more dangerous than a toddler with an automatic weapon.

The Hindenburg Award For Foul Fortune

Dale Earnhardt Jr. looked poised to finally win a race again until he got run over from behind.

Michael Waltrip went from leading the race with four to go to a 27th place finish.

Carl Edwards was plagued by right front tire issues all day, and finally managed to hit the wall. Combined with his hard crash on Saturday, it was a pretty lousy weekend for the young man.

Matt Kenseth’s race had barely begun before a tire problem put him into the wall.

Tony Stewart cut down a tire, triggered the big wreck, and ended the day in the garage.

Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon lost seemingly solid shots at a Top 10 finish in the final laps of the race.

The “Seven Come Fore Eleven” Award For Fine Fortune

Winner Kyle Busch had an eventful day, losing a lap after problems getting to his pit and barely hanging onto his car after hard contact with the No. 26 car got both of them sideways.

Travis Kvapil showed up at Talladega with a new sponsor and managed a decent sixth place finish to show for it.

Casey Mears got off to a rough start this season, but managed a decent seventh place finish Sunday ahead of all three of his teammates, who had been considered among the favorites going into the race.

Last year, Brian Vickers was struggling just to qualify for races. Sunday he might have had a shot at a win had the race ended under the green flag.

While the weather forecast looked pretty dire on Friday, NASCAR managed to get both races in at Talladega with no delays or interruptions.

When Juan Pablo Montoya tangled with Paul Mernard, sending the No. 15 car spinning, he was able to drive on with only a stern warning from NASCAR to a second place finish.

Worth Noting

  • Kyle Busch scored his seventh win in NASCAR’s top three touring divisions this year.
  • Juan Pablo Montoya’s second place finish matches his best Cup result on an oval course. Montoya also finished second in last year’s Brickyard 400.
  • Denny Hamlin (3rd) has now strung together five consecutive Top 10 finishes. He’s averaging a 3.6 average finish in those five races.
  • David Ragan (4th) scored the second best finish of his brief Cup career.
  • Brian Vickers (5th) scored his first Top 5 since last year’s Coca Cola 600.
  • Travis Kvapil (6th) managed his best Cup finish of 2008.
  • Casey Mears’ seventh place finish matches his best of this year.
  • Jeff Gordon (19th) has gone three straight races without posting a Top 10 finish. That hasn’t happened to him since Michigan, Bristol, and Fontana last summer.
  • Paul Menard (14th) enjoyed his best Cup finish of 2008 despite his tangle with Montoya. So did Scott Riggs (16th without the Montoya contact).
  • Greg Biffle has finished 18th or worse in three of the last four Cup races. Matt Kenseth is in an even tougher slump, with three finishes of 30th or worse in those same four races. For Kenseth, Talladega was his first DNF (41st) since Charlotte last fall.
  • The Top 10 finishers at Talladega drove three Toyotas, two Fords, two Dodges, and three Chevys.
  • Regan Smith in 21st posted the best finish by a rookie at Talladega.
  • Sunday’s race was only the second time since 1999 a Chevrolet driver failed to win a Cup event at Talladega.

What’s the Points?

Jeff Burton maintains the points lead but Kyle Busch has narrowed the gap to just 22 points. Dale Earnhardt Jr. remains third, 79 out of the lead while Jimmie Johnson remains fourth, 102 points behind.

Kasey Kahne had the worst day in the points, falling two positions out of the Top 12 to 13th after finishing 23rd.

Five drivers in the Top 12 advanced at least one spot today; Denny Hamlin (now fourth), Clint Bowyer (now seventh), Greg Biffle (now eighth), and Ryan Newman (now eleventh).

Three drivers in the Top 12 lost at least one spot today: Kevin Harvick (now sixth), Tony Stewart (now ninth), and Carl Edwards (now tenth).

Drivers of note making progress in the points include Juan Pablo Montoya (up five spots to twelfth, now clinging to the final spot in the Chase by a point), Brian Vickers (up three spots to 15th), David Ragan (up three spots to 16th), and David Gilliland (up three spots to 18th).

Drivers riding the downbound train after Talladega include Matt Kenseth (down four more spots to 19th), Kurt Busch (down four spots to 20th), and Martin Truex, Jr. (down a further three spots to 17th).

Overall Rating (On a scale of one to six beer cans, with one being a stinker and a six pack an instant classic): We’ll give this one four well dented and worn out cans of generic stuff with a flaming Jack chaser. At least no one got hurt on Sunday.

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SS Mike
04/28/2008 06:53 AM
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Hey Matt, long time no see. First off had the TV muted and if Stewart did not mention Toyota the closed captioning did.

Attendance at York which is the place to be if your into Lionel trains had a low attendance this year. We did not go because of fuel prices but are going to Norwalk for the NHRA.

Ed
04/28/2008 08:15 AM
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I managed to watch about 40% of the race between switching channels. Typical restrictor plate junk. Larry McReynolds continues to talk about NASCAR in terms of “we.” I wish someone at FOX, if they cared about impartiality and we know they don’t, would tell him he isn’t NASCAR. I also get tired of the “cut-down tire.” references. Cut to the chase and call it what it is…a blown tire. But Larry in his infinite, NASCAR mouthpiece wisdom has to put in an apology to Goodyear for the “tire controversies.” Even after it was pointed out that Matt Kenseth’s tire failure was probably the result of car set up, they continued to refer to Kenseth’s “cut tar.” Good recap Matt, but I’m sure someone will point out an inaccuracy. Mike, I didn’t see the interviews, but who knows? FOX may have been prepared for Stewart’s response and made sure Toyota got put in the CC. How’s that for conspiracy rumors?

mmack
04/28/2008 09:16 AM
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Matt

Re: Franchitti (or Turncoatti as I call him)

After surviving unscathed in two UGLY flips in IRL cars last year, Dario breaks his ankle and is laid-up for at least a month after an accident in NASCAR. Wonder if his goofy wife “Starchild” Judd (who pushed him into NASCAR over fears for his safety) has second thoughts about his decision now?

P.S. I was actually hoping Michael Waltrip WOULD win yesterday, just to see announcers and fans asking “How did THAT happen?”

Racer Rick
04/28/2008 10:26 AM
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On the Race to the Airport, Dale Junior is trying to do a huge sell job to Matt Kenseth in getting him to join Hendricks in the #5 team (Mears History). Looks like Matt has an out in his contract and could take Robbie Reiser with him. Matt is not too happy with Chip Bolin right now and is questioning the equipment he’s getting compared to the two free agents Roush has (Biffle/Edwards). He figures they are getting more resources to hope to get them to stay and secure sponsors. Other than the Kenseth to the new Childress team (plus since he has a Championship provisional) what has you heard?

Ryan
04/28/2008 11:45 AM
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Yeah, Stewart said in the Nationwide victory lane that his Toyota Camry had lots of power.

pete
04/28/2008 11:50 AM
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I’ve finally reached my limit of Matt’s downbeat attitude towards the racing. If he didn’t find Sunday’s exciting race anything better than generic than maybe he’s burnt out on NASCAR. Paycheck aside, there’s nothing wrong with admitting it and moving on to a subject he cares about. Over the years, the best of Matt has been very funny, but now it’s just “bitter.” Matt—liberate yourself and quit!

Travis Rassat
04/28/2008 01:34 PM
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I was also touched by Tony’s inclusion of the Make-A-Wish girl in victory lane. People can say whatever they want about Tony Stewart – the guy has heart. While life probably hasn’t been easy for that little girl, she probably felt like the luckiest person in the world on Saturday!

Douglas
04/28/2008 01:47 PM
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If NA$CAR is so very interested in making their sport so safe!

Then why not drop Talladega off the schedule?

Or is NA$CAR all talk but no action when it comes to REAL driver safety?

Ed
04/28/2008 02:05 PM
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Hey Pete, Maybe it’s time YOU stopped reading Matt instead of telling him to stop writing. He feels the same way many fans feel. Get rid of the restrictor plates and you will have exciting racing, not big, exciting crashes.

Master Braytak
04/28/2008 02:59 PM
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Did you see the big one in the Busch (Nationwide) race and notice how all the drivers walked away except for Dario’s ankle? Funny how the bozo’s in the booth did not point out all day just how safe the old cars are.

Pete, if you don’t like Matts opinions don’t read them. I do not read your stuff anymore and never go to your site as it is a Nascar Pom Pom fest.

I like the way you now have to put disclaimers in your articles about finishing positions so as to not get called out for not having every jot and tittle in place. Keep up the great work Matt, and I’ll keep reading.

Joe
04/28/2008 05:11 PM
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mmack,

If Dario sustained the same exact hit at the same exact speed in open wheel, he would be an amputee right now or worse. Refer to Alex Zanardi. The ESPN crew did a damn fine job of explaining in the cutaway car the open area near the driver’s feet. Notice how Dario walked away, with help, but still walked away. Also, I wouldn’t say he was unscathed last year as he did have a pretty bad concussion. You can’t put a cast on your brain and heal it up.

marc
04/28/2008 05:19 PM
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Ed – “Hey Pete, Maybe it’s time YOU stopped reading Matt instead of telling him to stop writing. He feels the same way many fans feel. Get rid of the restrictor plates and you will have exciting racing, not big, exciting crashes.”

Ed, was this exciting, from the pre-restrictor plates days?

If you truly think so may I suggest you offer to 1) take NASCAR’s flagman’s job and 2) pay the insurance bill for Talladega and Daytona so both tracks can feature 225mph laps.

Matt
04/28/2008 05:44 PM
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Marc,

Maybe you’d like to watch this one too

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eEviE0-ewVA

That’s Neil Bonnett tearing down the catch fencing in the black 31 Chevy with a restrictor plate installed atop the manifold at speeds somewhat under 225 MPH. (Note to those with delicate sensibilities, this is NOT the fatal crash at Daytona…this is the 1993 Talladega wreck)

If I had time to find it I’d also highlight Tony Stewart’s airborne wreck at Daytona where the car almost went up and over the catch fencing into the crowd or the wreck that launched Ernie Irvan’s hood into the crowd at Daytona.

Daytona was designed in the late 50s and Talledega in the late 70s. They are out of date.

The problem with the pile up plates is that they all but ensure massive pileups and eventually that’ll put a car through a fence though of course the roof flaps help keep them from flying as easily.

The ultimate solution is to lower the banking at the tracks to allow unrestricted cars to run at reduced speeds without the driver having to flat foot it the whole way around the track.

But thanks for submitting your video. It reminds me how relieved I am NASCAR finally banned racing back to the caution.

marc
04/28/2008 05:51 PM
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Matt – “In Franchitti’s case — while he can use all the laps he can get in a stock car trying to hasten his learning curve — the two plate tracks shouldn’t be part of his schedule on Saturdays.

Wouldn’t that be a disadvantage by not allowing him more track time on arguably two of the toughest tracks that need as much or more time to learn that any other on the circuit?

Matt – “Ryan Newman speculated this weekend that Michael McDowell’s barrel roll crash at Texas was a result of the new car’s higher center of gravity.”

No doubt, a lower center of gravity would help, you can’t beat physics, except in this case you can. Add 50-100lbs to the cars total weight allowed and allow it to be used when and where within the car the teams see fit.

The end result would be 99.999% of the teams would use the extra “movable” weight to lower the center of gravity and a secondary effect would be to slightly slow the cars.

One note on Newman’s comments, he also said this: “I remember last year the spring race I was so frustrated: I had a good car, sitting 12th or 14th, and if I made a move I’d lose two or three spots. If I made another move, I’d lose another two or three spots. It becomes frustrating. You almost want to give up. You almost say, ‘Let’s just ride and wait until it all happens in front of me.”

Note what event he’s talking about, spring at Talladega, an event run with the “old car”

Matt – “Despite spectacular weather, the crowd at the Carlisle Swap meet I attended last week was the thinnest I recall in decades. Friday and Saturday’s crowds seemed about the same as last year, in part due to the auction”

WOW, you do have the ability to see the light, as opposed to blaming empty seats at events all on the CoT, poor management or NASCAR leaving behind its “core fan base.”

Congrats, and welcome to the real world.

“With Stewart, Newman, Biffle, Truex, and Edwards all considering their options”

DEI picked up Martin’s option for 2009, he’s off the market for the time being. And note that’s DEI exercised option and in no way is a clue as to what Truex wants for his future, with the option as part of the original contract he has little to no say in the matter.

“When Juan Pablo Montoya tangled with Paul Mernard, sending the No. 15 car spinning, he was able to drive on with only a stern warning from NASCAR to a second place finish.”

Could that be because he was pushed into Menard?

Could be, pull up the replay.

marc
04/28/2008 06:08 PM
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Matt – “Maybe you’d like to watch this one too”

Now why would I want to do that?

To remind me that cars regardless of the restrictor plates can and have hit not only catch fencing at Daytona but at Talladega also?

Sorry, no reminder needed. But if you or anyone else believes the chances of it happening are NOT reduced by utilizing restrictor plates OR reducing the size of the current engines you’re living in Lala Land.

Matt “or the wreck that launched Ernie Irvan’s hood into the crowd at Daytona.”

And that has what to do with restrictor plates?

Those type of events can and do happen at local bull rings at 80 mph. You’re stretching guy, slow down and think.

Matt – “The ultimate solution is to lower the banking at the tracks to allow unrestricted cars to run at reduced speeds without the driver having to flat foot it the whole way around the track.”

But…but, but that would be leaving “NASCAR tradition” behind. It would alienate “long-time fans” and they wouldn’t attend races. (or is that because of gas prices I forgot which)

Snark aside you’re living in a dream world it will never happen.

Oh, and about those “reduced speeds,” how reduced were they in 1960?

Matt
04/28/2008 06:40 PM
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My point about the Irvan hood incident…and I do have one…relates to the nature and strategy of plate racing.

When the incident began to unfold the field was running the normal double wide, tightly packed sort of formation typical of the plate tracks where the plates reduce the pack to the least common denominator. Everyone is hero fast in the draft and nobody can afford to get off the gas because if a driver does he’s going backwards post haste. No Irvan, Jarrett and others kept thier boot in it and the wreck went from two cars to the usual pig pile with the 3 car taking a wild tumble. The 28 car’s hood went into the stands where tragedy was narrowly averted.

Plate racing has gone on a long while but I’d hardly call it a “tradition”. When it was implemented in the wake of the Allison crash it was a “temporary measure” until a better solution could be found. And yes, the racing was just fine without the plates. In May of 84 there were 75 official lead changes at Talladega. That July there were only 68 lead changes but it took three finish line cameras to sort out the finishing order as a ten car pack swept across the finish line.

marc
04/28/2008 06:45 PM
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Matt, here hate on this – “I look at the quality of my team — they keep impressing me. My equipment and my motors show me every week that they help to make my job easier. And Tony Jr. does a good job of setting up the cars and making them fast. He made that car really good today. I thought it was the best car on the track even against the Toyotas that were very strong, I thought we had the best car on the track.”

“I feel for the first time in my life that I can go everywhere and run like that each week. We should be in the top 10. If we don’t have a significant incident or a mechanical situation, there’s no reason why we shouldn’t finish in the top 10 every week. I don’t think I ever felt like that, much less been able to say it.”

“But when it comes to the new car at Talladega, Earnhardt gave it a glowing review.”

““Guys are trying to win and everyone has a shot with the way the cars are drafting. Anyone can win. You can tell, everyone thinks they’re going to win the race. You can see how they’re all running into each other. It’s just awesome to see cars banging and sliding. One thing I’ll hand to this car that you couldn’t say about the last model is that guys run into each other hard at the end and get crossed up and straighten right back out. There were three incidents within the last four laps if not the last two laps that would have been crashes — five, six-car pile-ups — and guys were just banging off of them and straightening ‘em out. That car has that ability. Just like when I got turned sideways, I thought I was done — too many degrees sideway to be able correct it — but the way the car catches the air when it goes sideways, the air straightens it right back up.”

Get out your umbrella, your parade is getting rained on.

marc
04/28/2008 06:52 PM
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Matt – “In May of 84 there were 75 official lead changes at Talladega. That July there were only 68 lead changes but it took three finish line cameras to sort out the finishing order as a ten car pack swept across the finish line.”

Now that’s hilarious!

Didn’t you just post something about not believing NASCAR lead change stats?

Why yes, you did. Now what makes you believe that stat. Because it just happens to fit your agenda? Possibly yes, possibly no.

And sorry, you had no point on bringing up the hood, parts fly off on virtually every track in America and other venues outside the states and some end up in the grandstands and parking lots crushing someone’s go-mobile they got to the track with.

SS Mike
04/28/2008 07:00 PM
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I have said this for years, if you don’t like what Matt writes don’t read his stuff.

I never liked what that NA$CAR suck up Pete “I am related to a guy who knows someone who had a neighbor that raced in NA$CAR” Pis something. My point is I do not read his crap and there for do not get upset. Works that way for anybody I do not like. I mute the TV so I do not have to listen to those NA$CAR suck ups Waltrip and the butcher of the english lanquage. McReynolds.

marc
04/28/2008 07:08 PM
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SS Mike – I have said this for years, if you don’t like what Matt writes don’t read his stuff.

Well good for you, but that’s you not me.

And BTW, it’s not your place to tell me what to read or not to read or comment on.

As as you say, and to paraphrase you, if you don’t like what I write don’t read it.

Joe
04/28/2008 07:09 PM
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You know Marc, the one thing I take away from the Bobby Allison wreck is that there was no pack and therefore no major carnage aside from Allison’s automobile. Now yesterday they drove 3, 4, and 5 wide all day long it seemed. There was no separation of the haves and have not’s. Put plates into the Talladega 1987 race and Allison would have likely collected the 40th place stroker in the same wreck.

They are a necessary evil, and with the new car, the incident where Kyle and McMurray got into each other would have triggered the big one 2 years ago. Heck you need look no further than Saturday’s race and LePage to see what a fit of dumbness will cause with the restrictor plate and the old car. I remember Tony Stewart running top 5 and landing on the 17th place Bobby Labonte at Daytona in 2001. Plates my friend.

Also, with the pre restrictor plate car versus the plate cars now, it is a different era of NASCAR. For one 1987 still used bias ply tires if memory serves.

I am sure you will correct me, Marc, if I am wrong.

Don’t think they ran inner liners either which propelled Allison like a rocket into the fence. Seems like a typical react for the sake of acting to me, but then again in 1987 they couldn’t even come up with an honest drug testing program so how the hell would they come up with an R and D center? Conclusion: It just blowed up on us.

Bottom line, NASCAR runs these races so they have a cool intro with Bowyer on fire, Waltrip or Casey Atwood flipping, and Ricky Craven clinging to the wall at Talladega. Fans love it and the drivers accept it.

marc
04/28/2008 08:43 PM
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Joe – “Also, with the pre restrictor plate car versus the plate cars now, it is a different era of NASCAR. For one 1987 still used bias ply tires if memory serves.”

No need to, you’re spot on radials came into use during the ’89 season.

To be specific at North Wilkesboro Speed­way in April and the winner Dale Sr. had this to say: “The more I drove on them, the better I liked the radials.”

On the subject of inner liners, you’re just a wee bit off they came into use in 1966.

“but then again in 1987 they couldn’t even come up with an honest drug testing program so how the hell would they come up with an R and D center? Conclusion: It just blowed up on us.”

And neither could anyone else, up to and including the most preeminent doctors at the time.

As a side note, did you get the email on the drug subject that was resent to you?

Joe
04/28/2008 10:24 PM
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got it Marc. Great reply. Thanks for answering.

Matt
04/28/2008 10:31 PM
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Hey, if they’re not giving to fix the place I’m all for dumping Talladega and Daytona from the schedule.

But Matt (he types dropping his voice low like Darth Vader Marc from the scary little coal sized moon of Know-It-All he tries to use to orbit this site) YOU CAN’T DUMP THE DAYTONA 500! You’re a goonytunes! Well, why the Hell not? We dumped the Southern 500 which was a much better race and had in fact been contested before the Daytona track was even pocket wood competing for space with a revolver in Big Bill’s front pocket.

When NASCAR dumped the Southern 500 they declared no tradition so sacred it it could not be offered up on the alter of expediency to further line the bank accounts of the France family. So dump the plate tracks already. If they don’t want to spend the money to fix the tracks, why should the team owners keep having to spend all this cash annually, and we’re talking millions, to prepare a platypus of a car for just four races a year. Why should that money come out of the pockets of the team owners and not the track owners who have near forty and fifty years of profits from thier archaic monuments to Big Bill’s ego already in hand? Why indeed. Because the same people who run NASCAR own Talladega and Daytona and they don’t like spending money. If Bruton Smith owned either track it would have lost both dates or been updated by now.

Meanwhile on the scary dark moon of Marc the amoebic warlord prepares his response as he slithers out of the primordial ooze formed by the ejaculatory fluids of the cosmic camel. He must do so because he is programmed only to destroy not to create. He is the slithering viper’s brood working their way down into the caverns of the Happy Gophers jamming along to Gracie Slick belting out the closing lines of White Rabbit while toking on the cannabis thrown out the window of the Austrailian V8 driver banned for two years. I used to run in some pretty wild circles and I never knew anyone who smoked “cannabis” They all smoked “dope”, Marc. Which reminds me of another classic line from a Who song, “Go to the mirror boy!” But Marcy doesn’t know what day it is, he doesn’t know who Jesus is,what praying is, how can he be saved, from the eternal grave?

Craig Rebeor
04/28/2008 10:55 PM
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Why isn’t anyone talking about Bush’s illegal pass for the lead/win? I could see that he was under the line before he was forced further down, why couldn’t Nascar?

SS Mike
04/28/2008 10:55 PM
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Marc, I would never tell someone what to read or not to read or comment on.

You missed my point. If you dislike what Matt says just ignore him.

SS Mike
04/28/2008 10:59 PM
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I could see that he was under the line before he was forced further down, why couldn’t Nascar?

Because Toyota paid millions to Brain Fart France to let Toyota into the series. And this was not the first time this has been done. Bill France did this crap 40 years ago.

marc
04/29/2008 01:06 AM
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Matt – “We dumped the Southern 500 which was a much better race and had in fact been contested before the Daytona track was even pocket wood competing for space with a revolver in Big Bill’s front pocket.”

Sorry, no comparison the Darlington event may have preceded the Daytona 500 but it never reached near mythical status and was never recognized as NASCAR’s “Super Bowl.”

As far as it being a better race, good glad you feel that way, but that’s subjective opinion and has nothing to do with the reality of dropping either Daytona, Talladega or both.

Nice try at confusing the issue though.

“Meanwhile on the scary dark moon of Marc the amoebic warlord”

Aside from your continued use of factless bits and pieces in many of your posts (that you’re not honest enough to edit) it’s childish nonsense like that is why you have been singled out in the past.

Can we get back to debating the issue or do you really feel the need to “converse” at a level far below your chronological age?

marc
04/29/2008 01:19 AM
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SS Mike – “Because Toyota paid millions to Brain Fart France to let Toyota into the series. And this was not the first time this has been done. Bill France did this crap 40 years ago.”

That’s some detailed concoction on your part.

Setting aside any possible payouts to Big Bill in the past due to complete non-relevance to now, just what proof do you have that BF received any under the table cash from Toyota?

Got any, please. lets all hear.

In fact I’d even let you flesh out the story, with provable facts of course not something pulled from an overactive imagination, and let you post it under your own byline.

Soooo, whatcha got?

Something?

Anything?

Crickets along with the silence of any fourth coming proof?

marc
04/29/2008 03:40 AM
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And BTW Matt, now that I’m not distracted by other things…

Your powers of observation are commiserate with your apparent inability to turn out a post that contains no factual errors.

The driver busted on a drug test was an New Zealand V8 Driver not an Australian V8 Driver.

Geesh, and he was id’d as such in the first 4 words of the post.

Guess for you it was more important to take a cheap uncalled for shot at someone rather than skillfully debate the issue at hand and your mind just glossed over the first 4 words.

4 words that are linked and in an obviously far different color than the rest of the post.

Hard to miss that, except for you.

Dennis
04/29/2008 03:08 PM
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COT

Car Ornamented Tank

Jeff
04/29/2008 03:51 PM
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Matt:

Amen about the segment by FOX about “ All you can eat “. Good grief, is that the best of the ideas they can come up with? Don’t forget, they went back to him twice. Sure better to do a segment on that than interview someone from the Alabama Gang.<g> Also, seeing two fat guys wearing the “ Digger “ shirts made my day too.

Craig Rebeor
04/29/2008 09:11 PM
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SS Mike… thank you, I was thinking along the same lines. And to Marc, you missed the point. Bush was warned by Nascar to stay above the line, then did nothing about the clearly illegal pass. Selective rule enforcement? Do you have an explination? You seem to have all the other answers…

marc
04/30/2008 02:24 AM
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Craig Rebeor “And to Marc, you missed the point. Bush was warned by Nascar to stay above the line, then did nothing about the clearly illegal pass. Selective rule enforcement? Do you have an explanation? You seem to have all the other answers”

I missed nothing, however you apparently did I never asked about or remarked on Kyle Busch.

So, what else you got beside some smart-alec remark about me knowing all the answers.

And for the record no I haven’t frickin’ clue why Kyle did it or why NASCAR allowed it.

Do you? Or are your powers at mind reading on par with mine. Which would be at zero.

Craig Rebeor
05/02/2008 11:46 AM
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Marc… You may not have remarked on Kyle Bush directly, however you did remark on SS Mike’s Toyota comment, which was in direct relation to Kyle Bush winning the race on an illegal pass. I am not going to banter wits with an obviously closed minded baffoon whom has nothing better to do than try to degrade everyone and their opinion on this web site. You make so many comments that you can’t even remember what u said. You HAVE heard the last of me.