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Matt McLaughlin's Thinkin' Out Loud: Texas-2 Race Recap

Matt McLaughlin · Monday November 7, 2011



Tony Stewart was guns a-blazing at Texas, picking up his fourth Chase victory in eight races to turn up the heat on Carl Edwards.

The Key Moment – Tony Stewart was able to pass Carl Edwards on the final restart. The outside move wasn’t as impressive as passing Johnson on the outside at Martinsville, but it was still pretty nifty.

In a Nutshell – If you were watching today’s race as one tenth of the Chase, having the top two in points battle up at the front of the pack with the hunter gaining on the hunted was all you could ask for. If you were watching Sunday’s race as its own unique event, it was a long, tedious afternoon.

Dramatic Moment – Um. Well, let’s see. Waiting to see if (when) Jeff Burton ran out of gas there at the end. Sorry, there weren’t many dramatic moments to choose from. Who knew that the speedway’s “No Limit” theme was going to translate into “There’ll be no limit on how bored you’ll get watching yet another mile-and-a-half cookie cutter parade?”

What They’ll Be Talking About Around the Water Cooler This Week

All right Kyle Busch fans (both of you who are left), try to defend his actions wrecking former points contender Ron Hornaday, Jr. under caution during Friday’s truck race. I cut the punk a little slack after the uproar when he got caught doing triple the speed limit on a public road earlier this season, but wrong is wrong. For a Cup competitor running to stroke his own massive ego in a Truck Series event to destroy a respected long-term member of that series’ chances at a title was not only inexcusable, it was the most despicable thing I’ve seen occur on a racetrack in at least a decade. The Hell with parking Busch for the weekend; I feel the bad-tempered little piece of sh*t that is Kyle Busch should be suspended for the rest of the season from all three series. I’ve been asked to try to be a little more politically correct. That, my friends, is the politically correct version of what I thought about Busch’s actions Friday. Want to send along a note to the folks at Mars, the parent company of Busch’s Sunday sponsor M&M’s, to let them know what you think of that meltdown and ask them to disassociate themselves from him? Here’s the link.

Let’s see. As noted above, Kyle Busch isn’t a particularly good corporate spokesperson for a candy company that caters to kids. David Reutimann is very good with kids. He rarely has a harsh word to say about anyone. The only incident I can recall where Reutimann went into a full meltdown mode was when none other than Kyle Busch wrecked him last year. How talented is Reutimann as a driver? That has yet to be seen, given he’s been running for the hapless MWR organization in substandard equipment. Reutimann needs a job. Am I sensing a good match here and a quick way to solve a major headache for Joe Gibbs?

I’d also guess that Jack Roush’s people were on the phone to Mars Saturday letting them know they are looking for backing for Matt Kenseth, a driver every bit as competitive as Busch and a guy who has won a Cup title to boot. Plus, as an added bonus, Kenseth isn’t even psychotic.

The racing community continues to pray for a happy, healthy recovery for Rick Hendrick after the owner was injured in a plane crash last week in Key West.

The racing community was spared yet another tragedy this week when Rick Hendrick, his wife and their pilots escaped an aircraft incident with relatively minor injuries. (The plane’s brakes failed upon landing in Key West.) Most of you will recall that Hendrick lost his son, brother, two nieces, several employees and friends to a plane crash outside of Martinsville a few years ago. Longer-term fans will recall that Curtis Turner, Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki also perished in aircraft accidents while Lesa France Kennedy lost her husband in a fiery plane crash that tragically also cost folks on the ground their lives. More recently, Jack Roush suffered serious injuries and lost an eye to an airplane crash last year. It seems such tragedies strike our sport disproportionately until you realize how many airplanes are put into service for every weekend’s race; heck, some airlines don’t have that many planes in the air at any given time. Meanwhile, if I were Hendrick, I think I’d be studying Amtrak schedules real carefully. People are always telling me I’m safer on a plane than I am on the drive to the airport. That might be so statistically, but if somebody sideswipes me on I-76, I’m not going to end up falling 10,000 feet ablaze screaming my lungs out into some farmer’s field.

I felt it was a classy gesture for Edwards to walk out on pit road to congratulate Stewart, but there was probably also a mind games aspect intended as well. Edwards was acknowledging a hard-driven win by Stewart but showing he wasn’t rattled by it. The other thing I noticed after the race was that Edwards looked like he’d been sitting in a recliner all afternoon while Stewart was clearly physically exhausted to the point that he was barely able to get out of the car. It’s been a long season; with two races left to run and all the commitments that go with being a title contender, Edwards’ outstanding physical conditioning regimen compared to Stewart’s habit of shoveling down sacks of slop from Burger King might be the ace the No. 99 driver has up his sleeve.

The debate goes on. Does winning races carry enough of a reward in the points standings? Elliott Sadler, who is second in the Nationwide championship, hasn’t won a race in that series this season. Until he ran out of gas or had a fuel feed issue at Texas Friday night, James Buescher was a serious contender for the Truck title despite not only not having won a race but earlier this season failing to even qualify for the Phoenix spring event. Carl Edwards currently leads the Cup points standings, but he’s only won one race. Meanwhile Stewart, who won his fourth race in the Chase Sunday, is still trailing Edwards. (Though not by much. Didn’t I tell you those positions Edwards left on the table playing it safe at Talladega were going to come back to haunt him?)

Wow, I didn’t see that one coming. It was made official this week that David Reutimann is out at Michael Waltrip Racing after this season. Reutimann is, of course, the only driver in MWR history to actually win a race (two, actually) in one of the sorry nags the team prepares. Apparently the sponsor, Aaron’s, insisted a change be made. That strikes me as odd considering how heavily they used him (and even his daughter) in their advertising campaigns this year. Yeah, good old silly looking David Reutimann, always the second banana at Aaron’s to his team owner Michael Waltrip. (It’s hard to call Waltrip a “has been.” To borrow a line from Kurt Busch, Waltrip is a “never has been.”) Suddenly that advertising angle isn’t so funny, huh?

Reutimann’s replacement will be none other than Mark Martin, another perennial underdog though doubtless an immensely talented one and a future Hall of Famer if, indeed, the NASCAR Hall of Fame has a future. Martin will run 25 races for MWR, including next year’s Daytona 500. Waltrip himself will serve as a rolling hazard at the other three plate races in 2012, along with driving at Kentucky. Drivers for the other nine or so races are yet to be announced. I just wonder what direction the Aaron’s advertising is going to take next year. I have an immense amount of respect for Martin, but I can’t be the only one who thinks with each passing week he looks more like Yoda.

Ut-oh, junko. (OK, Ancient Racer, explain that obscure cultural reference.) On Friday night ,Kevin Harvick not only won the truck race, he clinched the owner’s championship in that series and the manufacturer’s title for Chevrolet. But at the end of this season, KHI will quit the Truck Series. What does that tell you about the series’ future? KHI might also have been celebrating a driver’s championship at Homestead if not for the dastardly actions of a certain, jug-eared 24k-plated rectum at Texas Friday night. Rectum hell, he damn near killed him.

Despite an announced attendance of 151,000, Texas featured plenty of empty seats as the total actually dropped 5,000 from last year.

Note to TMS head honcho Eddie Gossage: in the future, you might want to avoid scheduling the race against a Dallas Cowboys home game. Those grandstands were mighty empty for a track that once reliably sold out.

When is NASCAR going to stop insulting the intelligence of fans? Rather than calling phony debris cautions like the one on lap 112, just admit it’s a “Promoter’s Option” caution to spice up a race that’s become a processional parade.

Hmm. You think Ryan Newman was told to get up there at the end of the race and run Jeff Burton hard to ensure the No. 31 car ran out of gas and Newman’s team owner Stewart won? That was a three-point swing when Burton ran out of fuel with five laps to go. Newman’s team had been communicating over the radio that they intended to try to finish the race without pitting as well, which was clearly a ruse.

Editor’s Note: There’s conflicting information on Newman. Our Managing Editor Tom Bowles, for one was listening to his radio channel and crew chief Tony Gibson was consistent the No. 39 was going to pit with 11 laps to go. So, either ESPN (and others) were listening to a different channel, Tom was hallucinating, or things weren’t quite so dramatic.

The Hindenburg Award For Foul Fortune

So Kyle, other than the Truck race, how was your weekend trip to Texas?

Brad Keselowski got boxed into his pit stall and backed into Denny Hamlin trying to escape. A potential top-10 finish evaporated into a 24th-place result; to Keselowski’s credit, he took full responsibility for the incident after the race and tried apologizing to Hamlin afterwards.

All three of the Joe Gibbs Toyotas were off-song from the drop of the green: Hamlin and Michael McDowell were 20th and 33rd, respectively while Joey Logano added the frosting to his cake with a blown engine.

Jimmie Johnson worked his way steadily into the top 10 and even the top 5 before an unforced error sent him sliding through the infield grass (he wound up 14th). When it’s not your year, it’s just not your year but when it has been your year for five straight years, it’s tough to bitch too much about a bad one.

Jeff Gordon also worked his way towards and into the top 5 and possible contention for a win before dropped lug nuts during a pit stop forced him to battle back to a sixth-place finish.

Dropping from first to 27th, Jeff Burton’s team was off by a full five laps in their calculations on fuel mileage. Only an extended caution flag period in the final twenty laps would have made that strategy work. Maybe the No. 31 team ought to throw out their coal-fired calculators?

The “Seven Come Fore Eleven” Award For Fine Fortune

Remember this piece of wrecked machinery? Brian Vickers may, but the rest of NASCAR Nation certainly doesn’t after a whirlwind week of news put the No. 83 on the backburner.

Yowza. Between Kyle Busch’s cranial meltdown, the Hendrick plane incident, Jeremy Mayfield’s arrest, and Reutimann’s surprise firing, Brian Vickers’ thuggish behavior last week at Martinsville is old news. Poor Vickers had to wreck Geoff Bodine just to get on TV Sunday.

Edwards just about got wrecked out late in the race when Regan Smith’s car got out from underneath him. He still salvaged second.

At one point Martin Truex, Jr. fell a lap down, but using the wave-around rule he was able to get back on the lead lap and charge forward en route to an eighth-place finish.

Worth Noting

  • While Edwards has won just that one race, his second-place finish Sunday was his fifth runner-up result of 2011.
  • Kasey Kahne (third) has top-10 finishes in five of the last six races.
  • Greg Biffle’s fifth-place performance was his best since New Hampshire.
  • Earnhardt’s seventh-place finish gives him back-to-back top-10 results for the first time since Kansas and Pocono in June.
  • Martin Truex’s eighth-place performance was his best since he placed second in the Bristol night race.
  • Brad Keselowski’s 24th-place result was his worst since Loudon in July.
  • The top 10 finishers at Texas Sunday drove four Chevys, four Fords and a pair of Toyotas. Keselowski’s 24th-place finish was the best by a driver wheeling a Dodge.
  • Trevor Bayne’s improbable Nationwide win Saturday sealed the manufacturer’s title for Ford.

What’s the Points?

Edwards maintains his lead in the standings, but his margin over Stewart is now just three points. Kevin Harvick maintains his third place position but is now 33 points out of the lead. Matt Kenseth moved up a spot to fourth, five points behind Harvick. Unless Stewart and Edwards wreck each other out on the first lap at Phoenix (or Kyle Busch gets mad at both of them early in the race), Harvick and Kenseth’s title hopes are over.

Keselowski fell a spot to fifth in the standings, more than a full race’s worth of points out of the lead. Johnson is sixth in the points, but 5-Time sits 55 markers out of the top position. No joy of six this season. Earnhardt and Gordon each moved up two spots in the standings and are seventh and eighth now, respectively. Kurt Busch, who struggled all weekend at Texas now sits ninth. Denny Hamlin, Kyle Busch and Ryan Newman round out the Chase field, in order; they are now all mathematically eliminated from title contention this year.

Clint Bowyer maintains his “Best of the Rest” position (thirteenth in the standings). Bowyer is now 18 points ahead of Kasey Kahne and nineteen points ahead of Greg Biffle for the spot.

Overall Rating (On a scale of one to six beer cans ,with one being a stinker and a six pack an instant classic) — Two cans of lukewarm Lone Star served up by a cowboy dying of lung cancer on the back of a Greyhound bus headed for Toledo.

Next Up – And then, there were two. The series heads off to Phoenix where a newly repaved track surface awaits. Nobody is quite sure what to expect, so they’re calling this a “wild card” race. Of course, they called Talladega and Martinsville “wild card” races as well…

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phil h
11/07/2011 01:08 AM

back in the day fans would say “put him windshield deep in the wall”!

guess Kyle was one of those.

Keeping it Real
11/07/2011 01:12 AM

Quick correction – Jr finished 7th at Martinsville, THAT was his first top 10 since Joliet. He now has two in a row .. and I’m sure Marybeth at least is celebrating somewhere ..

11/07/2011 08:25 AM

I don’t believe that setting Kyle Busch this weekend was enough of a punishment. He has plenty of money and wasn’t going to win the chase anyway. He took Hornaday’s chance at a championship away, Busch should get the same. Park him for all 3 series at Daytona next year, make him start the season 40+ points in the hole in each series so it is about impossible to win the owners/drivers championship in any of them, that would be a penalty.

11/07/2011 08:33 AM

Well, I am one of the remaining Kyle Busch fans, but who’s the other?

As for the race I agree it was mostly a snooze-fest. But it was a nice day so I kept going in and out of the house doing stuff and that made it bearable. End was good, though, but if I now say something like “Death to Duckboy” even though I mean it metaphorically will I get parked for the weekend?

Bill B
11/07/2011 08:44 AM

I told my friend that as soon as Hamlin (a chase guy) went a lap down NASCAR would throw a debris caution and they did not disappoint.

I don’t know how anyone can defend what Kyle did Friday night. Not even his most devoted fans could think that was OK unless they were blind or stupid (or both).

If nothing else Tony and Carl made sure that the championship is down to two contenders. So much for NASCAR’s dream of having 4 or 5 guys battle it out until the end.

11/07/2011 09:55 AM

Boring race, but then again I wasn’t expecting anything better from either Texas or ESPN’s broadcast.

I understand that the field gets spread out but focusing the camera on one car and talking about it, well that’s for qualifying and practice, not for the race — ESPN chose to follow their usual script – except when they needed to deviate from it by the KyBu sightings.

I absolutely think what he did on Friday was wrong – another reason why I think NASCAR should ban the full time cup drivers from competing in the other series. Back in the day, the cup drivers ran those races once in a while, not every weekend. I’m still kind of hoping that Hornaday finds KyBu somewhere out of sight of the cameras and explains life, the universe and everything to him.

Carl D.
11/07/2011 10:07 AM

If Kyle gets the boot at Joe Gibbs Racing (which I think is unlikely), what are his options? He’s burned bridges at Hendrick. Richard Childress has already punched him in the face. Jack Roush has more talented drivers than he know what to do with and most assuredly wouldn’t hire a driver with a attitude like Kyle’s (and he’s already had to deal with his brother). Stewart-Haas Racing and Michael Waltrip Racing are already set for 2012 as well. And finally, what sponsor is going to want to back him? If Busch loses his ride at Joe Gibbs Racing, the best he could realistically hope for is 2nd-tier ride with cut-rate sponsorship. My assessment? Kyle Busch’s career, and not just his job, is in jeopardy. If he gets another chance at JGR, he better become the Mother Theresa of Nascar if he wants to continue to find success at the Sprint cup level.

11/07/2011 10:21 AM


11/07/2011 10:36 AM

This Chase I guess is Roush vs Hendricks “Lite”. My money is on the the Junior (no, not that Jr.) team. Am still surprised they sat Busch, but it didnt really affect anything.

11/07/2011 10:43 AM

Spot On Matt! Great observations!

11/07/2011 10:45 AM

with all the debris cautions this year, you would have to think that cup cars are made with shoddy materials

11/07/2011 10:57 AM

Matt, I also am a Kyle fan so I am the other one. I have always respected your opinions and writing and I will say what Kyle did was wrong it should have been handled a different way. But whats done is done. He should have waited and got back at him at a later time. But what in the world is Hornaday doing racing that hard on lap 13? Kyle got mad I get it and again I dont agree. What really erks me is the fact you get on here today and cuss and moan. You should havve your opinion but be objective and respectful if not you are right along the same lines as Kyle in a way! This is not the Matt I have enjoyed reading for so many years. This will be my last time. Thanks for the memories. Also remember people used to hate the greatest Dale Earnhardt! Bye Bye Matt it has been fun.

11/07/2011 11:05 AM

Bye Bye John!

Matt L
11/07/2011 11:45 AM

How the hell did they count the people in the stands? 3 bodies per 1 visible body?

11/07/2011 11:54 AM

Hate to see any long term or even short term reader leave. Feel free to stop back by any time…just not on Thursday. If this column torqued you off you ain’t seen nothing yet. I’m just getting warmed up. Kyle Busch is out of one more last chances by my tally. He’s becoming the Lindsay Lohan of NASCAR. (Apparently she was released today after serving five hours of her 30 day sentence.)

11/07/2011 12:02 PM

There is no comparison between Big E and Shrub. Drivers may have hated Earnhardt but they respected him and he was a Champion. Kyle has lost any trace of respect he might have had from other drivers in all racing communities. Well said Matt. I think Reuty would be the perfect M&M driver!

11/07/2011 12:03 PM

Hey John, what was Kyle doing running that hard on lap 13? Ok for him but not Hornaday? Oh never mind, you left and are not coming back…addios!

11/07/2011 12:17 PM

I guess I am alone now … (sigh)

“Death to Duckboy!”

11/07/2011 12:17 PM

Matt once again great stuff!There are a couple of comments I would like to make:
Kyle Busch-bottom line Nascar is a business.If he had a employee who caused constant problems at his shop with other employees and clients ,how long would they last?
Tony vs Carl-not a big fan of chase but these two are making it worth watching.
Mark Martin-I remember when Mark started and all he wanted was a chance to drive and prove himself but the rides were all taken by veterans.Now today he has a chance to give someone else a chance but again and let some young man who needs it have it.Nothing against Mark but there are plenty other forms of racing he can do for fun.Just a thought

11/07/2011 12:20 PM

If you’re gonna send off emails to sponsors, send a big one off to DuPont. Didn’t they have money issues with Gordon? Getting out and pulling back?

DuPont was the company responsible for making a better parachute during WWII (among many other inventions and ideas, of course). Someone please explain to me why there was a big DuPont logo on the back of KyBu’s Japanese truck at Talledega?

old farmer
11/07/2011 12:21 PM

AncientRacer & John: Matt’s wrong again (whoda thunk it)—there are three of us!

Kyle shouldn’t have done what he did, and Matt’s a whiner motormouth.

Maybe the two of them should have lunch together sometime—perhaps in a cage fight ring, or some such, where they could each share their feelings. I wonder who would come out & who would be left with his face slammed into a sandwich—just joking.

Kevin in SoCal
11/07/2011 12:32 PM

Hornaday and Busch were passing another truck that was on their inside, at full speed. Hornaday’s truck got loose and he slid up into Busch and both tapped the wall. That stuff happens all the time, because air is an unforgiving thing. Busch should be parked for the Truck series and Nationwide series at Phoenix and Homestead, but he should be allowed to drive his Cup car as long as his boss (JGR) is ok with it.
I read Matt’s columns BECAUSE he’s controversial and he says things that either I didnt think of, or that I disagree with. He’s the only reason to look forward to Monday.

11/07/2011 01:17 PM

One thing about Big E, Rowdy and Ron Hornaday is they ARE/WERE RACERS that hate losing that is why all have/had such loyal fans and haters alike. They race hard and tell you what the think.

The smart thing would have been for Kyle or Ron one to back off (not go 3 wide) and complete pass down backstretch, but that is not either one of these guys style.

I was a Big E fan and am now a Rowdy fan( I did not like what he did friday and cannot defend it)

I believe in the long run this will help Kyle as it did Kevin after he was parked. My problem is with nascar saying Carls action last year were fine, but this deserves at a minimum to be parked for the Cup and Busch race with farther penalties possible

11/07/2011 01:18 PM

I love you Matt,after Carl that is! Great column! Don ‘t know when I have laughed so hard!Has made my day. Thank you

11/07/2011 01:23 PM

I can’t say I’m a Kyle Busch fan, but I do respect he is a talented driver. Since Matt has made no bones about never liking Tony Stewart either, there is no need to say that in his time Tony got into some troubles also. And many is the time the non fans’ wanted JGR to sit Tony and a great many, (at least audibly) would yell about never shopping at Home Depot again. Well, guess what, Home Depot didn’t drop Tony like a hot potato and JGR didn’t sit him or fire him. He managed to win two Championships for Joe Gibbs and actually “grew” up. I hope he never becomes a bland driver and I love the cockiness and the surliness on occasion. Its what makes him such a terrific racer. Kyle is an amazing phenomenon behind the wheel.
I personally don’t care for Matt’s overboard character assessment of Kyle, but then I didn’t care for the dig about Tony and his eating habits in comparison to body builder Carl. Gee, didn’t Tony just pass Carl and win the race? I like Carl and think he’s a stand up guy who is more than up to the challenge Tony is throwing his way, and I am excited for an actual race to the Chase finish for the first time since it was first introduced. Not mulligans actually taking guys out, but honest to goodness racing by some of the sports best. I hope nothing happens these last two races to deter that outcome. It will be so much fun.
As for Kyle, too many have short memories for other payback retributions, (Carl stalking and purposely wrecking Brad Keselowski), that Nascar did nothing about, to be crying for Kyle Busch to be parked permanently. I wouldn’t have parked him for the entire weekend, but it didn’t hurt him and I think sitting on that pit box and not being in his car was the best discipline in the world. Will Kyle get angry again and do something foolish. I certainly hope so because that’s what makes racing fun. I have too often seen Hornaday do some major paybacks to get so bent out of shape over Kyle ruining his chances at a truck championship. The fact that it was not set in stone is crying foul before the home run was hit or went foul.
I read Matt for the same reasons as most. He is never PC correct and writes what he sees. That appeals to me, but just like all of us at times, his prejudices get in the way of saying what needs to be said and letting unneeded venom flow. More will agree with Matt in this than oppose him, but I say the sport is always better when we have all kinds of genius driving the cars. The danger is when we let the hype and the hucksters dictate the sport and not the driving…

Doug in Washington (State)
11/07/2011 01:58 PM

Another factor is this never would have happened if Johnny Chapman hadn’t been clogging up the track with a rolling roadblock Start and Park truck that was already a lap down by lap 13.

OK, that was a stretch. Hornaday made a dumb move trying to pass 2 trucks at once when he had a clearly superior truck. Busch had the top already, and was ahead. What he did AFTER Hornaday put both in the wall was inexcusable. I’s astonished NASCAR laid that kind of penalty though, as I still believe this was not as serious an offense as what Carl did to Keselowski at Atlanta last year. I don’t disagree with the parking for the weekend though. The only other penalty I would agree with though is to park the #18 Truck for Homestead. I don’t think he needs to be parked from Cup the rest of the year.

11/07/2011 01:58 PM

I am not a Kyle Bush fan. Not necessarily a Kyle Bush hater either. I respect his talent, but he has no respect for anyone but himself. Anyway, for all those that keep referring to the Edwards/Keselowski incident. Their is one word that spearates the two, its “HISTORY

Kyle has much more History disrespecting NASCAR and the competitors than does Carl Edwards. Did any of you even listen to his comments after the incident? It was all about him! If Hornaday was running for a championship he should have backed off. WHO THE F** does he think he is? No one should race him hard because he is Kyle Bush? Oh yeah, he as 100 wins (with the majority of them coming in the minor leagues), but no Cup Trophy. Until he learns to respect his fellow competitors and control his emotions, he will NEVER win a Cup Championship. Parking him for the rest of this past weekend was only a good start if you ask me! I think he should start his winter vacation NOW. Dont even bother showing up at the track the next two weeks. I think he could use this time to wisely assess his past and plan his future, whether its in the driver’s seat or not.

11/07/2011 03:11 PM

I wonder what Kyle’s wife is thinking now. “I married your ugly ass for the life (money) we would share. Where’s that going to come from now?”

11/07/2011 03:20 PM

Even though I don’t like Kyle Busch, I was also trying to figure out how this was worse than what Edwards did to Keselowski at Atlanta. There were three things that I could think of. The first was history which has already been brought up by KyCupFan. The second was how Kyle pushed him through the turn under caution until he wrecked, even though his team was telling him to stop on the radio. The other thing was that Carl turned Brad through the grass. All he did was spin him. It was through a flaw in NASCAR’s car design that the 12 car turned over.

11/07/2011 03:26 PM

“He’s becoming the Lindsay Lohan of NASCAR.”
Laugh out loud funny Matt.

Tom Dalfonzo
11/07/2011 06:42 PM

The main thing that NASCAR should, but won’t, do to make cookie-cutter racing great would be to eliminate all the aerodynamic complexities, like air dams & side skirts, on the Cup cars. The aeropush is the very thing that is killing NASCAR racing, & the cars need to be made to not be so aero-sensitive. It would also help to ban the wind tunnel from NASCAR. It would make the racing better, & think of all the money the Cup teams could save every year.

Roger T
11/07/2011 07:19 PM

To: cdakost,, go to U Tube,put in Carl Edwards
fights; u might be surprised how volatile cousin Carl is; intimidated-Kenseth-Harvick (choke hold in Harvicks shop) Was out of race; mad at Junior, went back on track and hit Junior, who had his hand out window. And, though many forget; he was parked, and went back on track for Keslowski, could have killed that kid. Still, he can do a back flip, and is NaSCAR’S favorite. Hired by ESPN to be a commentator on other drivers????? Give me a break!!!!!!

Shayne Flaherty
11/07/2011 08:06 PM

Maybe Kyle should move over to Indy cars where his chance to kill a fellow driver is much better.

old gal from socal
11/07/2011 08:15 PM

A lot of us on here witnessed Dale’s rise in the sport, including the moments of hate and dissention. Dale, however, had something Kyle doesn’t possess…charisma.

Mark Martin as Yoda? More like Granny Clampett. I keep waiting for him to yell “Jed, Jed!”

11/07/2011 08:36 PM

to Roger T: Not saying that Edwards hasn’t been in his fair share of fights, but he’s been in less than Montoya, Harvick or Busch. You’re the first person who I’ve heard say that Edwards was parked when he went back on track at Atlanta. Having not missed a minute of racing from any of the series since 2007, I always thought that I knew a lot of what happened but that comment was a first. Not sure that I actually believe you to be honest. I still maintain that the Edwards had no intention of flipping Keselowski. The wing being a design flaw in the car that caused it to go up and over. Kyle Busch Friday night clearly had an intent to run Hornaday into the wall.

11/07/2011 09:43 PM

I believe Carl was behind wall getting car fixed (at Atlanta)and waited to make his move. I will agree with you I do not believe nascar had parked him.

As for the Atlanta wreck, Carl may not of expected the flip but he like Kyle this weekend intended to put Brad into the wall and then they go to Gateway and he does it again. That is where my problem is

11/07/2011 10:25 PM

I think being behind the wall and being parked are two different things. Not saying that I agree with what Edwards did at Atlanta or Gateway. I really think he got away easy at Gateway. I would have at least taken the win away. One thing I will say about Edwards is that when he fights, he doesn’t use the car. Kyle always uses the car because he’s too much of a coward to get in a real fight.

Keeping it Real
11/07/2011 11:31 PM

Anybody else notice how silent Matt has been on the arrest of Mayfield (indicted today)? Was he not kicking and screaming about how badly wrong NASCAR was to pick on poor Mayfield and how this was another Tim Richmond deal all over again? I assume innocent until proven guilty. But I also assume most people do things with just cause most of the time, particularly when they are legally bound to do so as NASCAR was by removing Mayfield. Anyway, found it interesting that Matt was unusually silent on this.

11/08/2011 12:18 AM

Nascar is dying….very slowly…but dying.

Old farts like me are leaving or have left.

Very few new, young fans getting into the sport.

I NEVER and I mean NEVER hear any nascar talk anymore in the work place or on local radio or in the grocery store or at the gas station or at the flea market…and it used to not be like that. It’s just DEAD. And this is in middle Tn!

I know of NO young kid or teen who gives a flip about nascar.

What a decline in just the last 10 years. Amazing.

11/08/2011 01:37 PM

I am not a Kyle Busch Fan, but as many others pointed out, I don’t see how what he did was worse than what Edwards did to Kes.

Hornaday was going much slower (under caution) than the ~200mph that Kes was going at Atlanta. Not to mention Edwards followed it up by wrecking him for a win in nationwide.

Finally, if you look at the replay the wreck that initially happened at Atlanta, it wasn’t really Kes’s fault. At Texas the initial wreck was 100% Hornaday’s fault. I’m not sure how many readers have driven in a race but someone diving inside of you and wrecking you both is infuriating to say the least. Hornaday’s truck wasn’t winning after he hit the wall the first time, so not sure how Kyle then wrecking him further cost him the championship. Hornaday ruined his own chances by racing lap 13 like it was the last lap.

11/08/2011 03:49 PM

Would it have hurt ESPN to put the interval between Stewart and Burton up on the screen so we had something to go by. Lap after lap they were hyping whether Jeff was going to hold on but yet very few intervals were shown. Instead we get a single car (Burtons) going around lap after lap by himself. Poor coverage to say the least.

Funny how you say Edwards might have the upper hand because he wasn’t sweating and Tony was. Using your thinking, maybe he might have won the race if he had worked a little harder?

11/09/2011 05:48 PM

Why don’t all you anti-Kyle Busch people just admit that you don’t care even if he was
the resurrected Christ that you don’t give a rat’s ass?
Go over the previous races and look at how many drivers have done nearly the same thing and then tell me why you’re, all of a sudden, picking Kyle out of the bunch to tar and feather?
In my opinion, it’s because you’re just a bunch of bigots that can’t handle someone else that’s capable of dealing out equal punishment.
Hornaday’s done exactly the same thing that Kyle did yet whines like a little girl and claims that he will buy someone else’s car and wreck Busch in the next race.
I saw him do this while on Ernie Cope’s pit crew in the S.W. Tour. Ron was a crybaby then and he’s a whiny pussy now.
Maybe, rather than focusing on all this, you might consider why Brian Vickers can get away with the shit he pulled in the last two races and doesn’t even get an honorable mention as dickhead-of-the-year?