The Frontstretch: Side By Side : Should Patrick Carpentier Have Been Fired? by Tom Bowles and Danny Peters -- Thursday October 9, 2008

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Side By Side : Should Patrick Carpentier Have Been Fired?

Tom Bowles and Danny Peters · Thursday October 9, 2008

 

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Today’s Question : Should Patrick Carpentier have been fired?

It’s Not Pretty, But Patrick Had To Go
Tom Bowles

I don’t blame Patrick Carpentier for what happened at Gillett Evernham Motorsports. He’s a nice guy filled with future potential, and someone who deserves to land on his feet. But sometimes, even the nice guys need to get fired from their jobs; and under the circumstances presented to GEM this week, they were left with no other choice.

The rookie had to go.

After having a public spat with crew chief Mike Shiplett following a surprising Talladega DNQ, Carpentier was clearly frustrated. According to the Canadian, Shiplett had accused him of driver error at a track where the machine, not the man behind the wheel, almost always determines your final qualifying time. Shiplett apologized a few days later, and it appears his claims were nothing more than hear-of-the-moment frustration. Still, where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire, and the fact remains the two men squabbled in public. With only six weeks left, it would be difficult if not impossible for them to work together at a productive level the rest of the season.

And productive is the key word here, for the last thing you want to do is end 2008 on a sour note. For better or for worse, GEM’s No. 10 car has the rest of the season to worry about as it prepares for 2009, with an outside chance of cracking back into the Top 35. Looking ahead to the future, Carpentier wasn’t going to be a part of those plans — with or without that public fight — and it makes sense for them to have the best driver available for those races in order to establish momentum for the long offseason ahead. Carpentier was no longer the best man to get that job done; so with his pink slip just six weeks away, why bother to make everyone wait? Honestly, it would have been perfect for a team like this to slip Reed Sorenson into the seat for the final handful of races to give the kid a head start on 2009. But even without him, replacements Mike Wallace and A.J. Allmendinger have the motivation they need to give the No. 10 a boost under the right circumstances. Both of them are looking for a ride in ’09, and both are coming off recent surges that have their confidence riding high

There’s precedence for GEM pulling this sort of move, too. When Jeremy Mayfield started showing a total lack of effort in the No. 19 car two years back, it didn’t make sense to pull that team in a downward spiral longer than absolutely necessary. After rumors swirled Mayfield intentionally wrecked the car at Indianapolis, he was out of that thing before the Chase began in September. Sure, the two-time Chase participant may have been the most qualified driver to finish out the season; but he wasn’t someone capable of giving 110% under the circumstances. And when you’re a team that’s already working from behind, you need that extra 10% of effort to at least try and make up the distance.

So many times this season, you can sense Carpentier had that in him. But in a few short hours Saturday afternoon, that extra willpower disappeared … making it the right call for GEM to cut their losses while they still had a chance to salvage some decent finishes this season.

Carpentier Deserved To Finish Out The Season
Danny Peters

It might be because I’m a foreigner too, but there was a lot I liked about Patrick Carpentier; and I, for one, am extremely disappointed he’s been so clinically removed from a ride.

Last June, Patrick Carpentier became the first Rookie to win a Cup pole position at New Hampshire.

The gap toothed French Canadian with the wide smile was always a thoughtful interview, especially when compared to some of the bland nonsense spewed from some of the pre-packaged, shrink-wrapped, bore-you-to-sleep stars of our great sport. And you always, always got the sense he knew how lucky he was to have a ride in the best form of motorsports in the world and that he would do everything in his power to make it work. OK, the stats don’t exactly paint a rosy picture of sustained success – average start 25.2, average finish 29.6, nary a Top 10, a best finish of 14th and only 11 laps led – but Carpentier’s season needs to be viewed from the prism of both his sheer lack of experience in stock car racing and also the general struggles at GEM (and particularly with the 10 car.) Let’s be fair here; other than a purple patch of a few weeks for Kasey Kahne, it’s been a long, uphill battle all season long for Ray Evernham and George Gillett’s stable of drivers.

While the news of Carpentier’s release hardly came as a shock – following the late August announcement that Reed Sorenson was making the move from one sinking Dodge ship to another – the question is whether or not it was the right call? Let’s start with the sound bite from Mark McArdle (VP, MD of competition at GEM) who said of Reed: “We believe he has a great future ahead of him here at Gillett Evernham Motorsports. He will be a great fit with our drivers, sponsors and employees.” Now, maybe it’s just me, or is it indicative that McArdle mentioned sponsors before employees? A photogenic 22-year-old with 103 Sprint Cup races already under his belt is a better long-term prospect for the marketing folks at companies interested in NASCAR, sure, but with just 5 Top 5’s in those races and only one this year in the Daytona 500, is it really an upgrade? I think not. Let’s not forget either that Sorenson’s average finish is only 27.3 this season – just a tick better than Carpentier. So maybe Reed attracts more sponsor dollars and maybe that makes sense in these troubled economic times, but is he the best bet for GEM? Well, the jury’s most definitively out on that question.

In addition, the signs were there that Carpentier was just starting to get comfortable in stock cars. He had four Top 20 runs in his last 10 races and of course that pole position at Loudon. All you needed to see was the interview following the last qualifying run to see how important it was to the French Canadian – his joy was almost unconfined. And for the record, Carpentier’s efforts were the first time a rookie has won a pole in New Hampshire – not a bad effort huh? Added to this general improvement, it’s interesting to note how well he’s run in the Nationwide Series with four Top 10 efforts in eight attempts (at tracks as diverse as Las Vegas, Mexico City, ‘Dega, and Montreal where the rain was probably the deciding factor — leaving him with a second place finish that could easily have been a maiden win). Another positive for Carpentier is that he is a fine qualifier – a critical factor when you’re out of the Top 35. He’s run in 22 of 27 races and, of the five he didn’t make, two were races where qualifying was canceled for rain. He missed another when he focused his attention on the Montreal Nationwide race.

So despite clear signs of improvement, an aptitude for qualifying and, let’s be fair, no real sign that Sorenson is the next big star, Carpentier is out of a ride. The man himself perhaps said it best, “It sure is sad that we don’t keep going. I think we did pretty good with the No. 10. … I’m disappointed, but it’s OK. I’m going to enjoy the rest of the year and just have fun with it and see if we can find anything else.”

Let’s hope he can because the sport will always be better off for having characters such as Carpentier. It sure will be interesting to watch how well (or not so well) Reed Sorenson does next season.

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Mike In NH
10/09/2008 08:32 AM
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It’s not surprising that Carpentier didn’t have a great season – he was tossed into a Cup car with virtually no experience in stock cars, on a team that isn’t all that good right now (with a manufacturer who also isn’t all that good right now). The fact he did as well as he did shows he has talent. I hope he gets a Nationwide and some Truck rides next year so he can keep honing his skills in these cars – he’s as good as any of several of the drivers that still have rides (including Sorenson). Patrick promised to streak down pit road when he got his first win – we could use more goofy personalities like that in the sport!

john
10/09/2008 09:36 AM
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As usual, car owners in NASCAR can’t see the forest for the trees. Carpantier was improving, was a great qualifier and if given time could’ve won races. More importantly, he’s good looking, marketable, very friendly and great with the fans—especially Canadians. There’s ZERO reason this guy shouldn’t have a fulltime ride. But thanks to this bullshit Top 35 rule, the teams have to look elsewhere. I really hope someone in the Nationwide series gives him a fulltime ride.

Shayne Flaherty
10/09/2008 10:01 AM
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Patrick Carpentier is one of the good guys. I’ll miss his candor and good humor.It’s NASCAR’s loss when someone like Patrick is shown the door. GEM is running out of scapegoats and excuses.

Doug Scholl
10/09/2008 10:37 AM
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I think both of you missed a key point here. Why wasn’t Mike Shipplett fired? As team manager isn’t he responsible for the car being fast. Isn’t he responsible for being a penultimate professional in the highest series of Sprint Cup Racing?

Wasn’t there at LEAST two races where an employee of GEM stated the only reason that car was in the race due to the ability of Carpentier.

There is more to see here than a driver being released. Some good ol boys still don’t like the open wheelers being around and that could put limitations on sponsorship and marketing.

And if the car is that slow then even putting Kyle Busch in the car would olny gain top speed for a couple of laps before the goodyears “gave up the goody in them”.

GEM needs to focus on how to handle public relations. Since Jeremy Mayfield every step, contract and dispute gains national prominence by trial by media. I think they need to look at some other oganizations and how they handle themselves in the personell and public relations.

I truely do feel for all of the GEM drivers. They have some amazing talent inside that shop but talent behind the wheel only gets you so far and you need talent on all levels of your oganization to compete in the big leagues.

scott b
10/09/2008 02:03 PM
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Since Patrick was on his way out anyway, then yes GEM did the right thing by not letting this decay into a situation like they had with Mayfield. Having a lame-duck driver finish the season out is a touchy situation, unless your talking about guy like Mark Martin who you know beyond all doubt can be trusted not to let his short-timer status affect his performance.

Now, whether Patrick deserved to be replaced next year on the basis of his on-track performance up to ‘Dega is a separate question, and the answer to that is less clear. But if you go there, you’d also have to ask why Scott Riggs lost the ride to Carpentier.

The 10 team’s lack of progress is one of those racing enigmas, but you’d have to conclude that there are problems that go beyond the nut that holds the steering wheel.

Graceann
10/09/2008 10:57 PM
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If you remember when Gillett gain majority control of GEM he stated that Ray Evernham was the one that hired Patrick. Ray was the the one who saw the talent in Patrick not Gillett, IMO maybe Gillett was the one that was ready for Patrick to move on. I thought with the merger that GEM was gonna improve, new sponsors meant more money, more money meant better research and development, better research and development meant better racing, better racing meant better finishes, better finishes meant wins for GEM drivers. What the hell happened?

Frankemm
10/10/2008 12:31 AM
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I think maybe GEM will find out that Sorrensen isn t the hot shoe driver they think he is.The new Dodge engine might help next year but I doubt if the 10 car will improve very much,hope Carpentier gets a decent ride somewhere next year.

Tommy
10/10/2008 03:04 AM
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The #10 car has become a revolving door for drivers. Patrick truly impressed me all season in what was in my opinion a no win situation. I’m happy he got out of there as he’ll be better off in the long run.

I doubt Reed can take this bunch on his shoulders and elevate them into anything better.

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