The Frontstretch: Side By Side: Is Racism NASCAR's Responsibility To Investigate? by Bryan Davis Keith and S.D. Grady -- Wednesday June 17, 2009

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Side By Side: Is Racism NASCAR's Responsibility To Investigate?

Bryan Davis Keith and S.D. Grady · Wednesday June 17, 2009

 

Editor’s Note : The following is a special edition of Frontstretch’s Side By Side. Occasionally throughout the season, two of your favorite Frontstretch writers will duke it out in a debate concerning one of NASCAR’s biggest stories. Don’t let us be the only ones to speak our minds, though…be sure to read both sides and let us know what you think about the situation in the comment section below!

Today’s Question: NASCAR suspended Nationwide No. 62 team’s crew chief Bryan Berry last Thursday, citing Section 12-1: “Actions detrimental to stock car racing…involved in an altercation with another team”. It was later revealed through various media outlets that Berry allegedly said a racial slur in reference to Marc Davis, the 19-year old driver of the No. 10. Since the announcement, there has been sporadic coverage of the suspension by the major NASCAR networks and no official statement by the sanctioning body.

Is it NASCAR’s responsibility to publish what precise actions resulted in a suspension — specifically when racism is involved? Further, does it help the sport to discuss this explosive topic, or does it just keep an old injury fresh with no hope of healing in the future?

NASCAR Needs To Remain Silent When Incidents Are Unclear
Bryan Davis Keith

Before we even get into this topic, let’s set one thing straight: When NASCAR announces that they are indefinitely suspending a competitor from the sport, for any reason, there needs to be a crystal clear picture presented as to why the suspension was handed out. That it was not the case when Bryan Berry was suspended is unacceptable… and there needs be no debate here that NASCAR needs to communicate its penalties a whole lot better.

With that said, where there needs to be debate, and a lot of it, is with the decision NASCAR made to suspend Bryan Berry in the first place. Because frankly, his suspension and the aimless series of events and statements that have followed make it clear that NASCAR rushed to make a judgment it did not need to make.

Let’s assume for a minute that Berry did, in fact, direct a racial slur at Marc Davis following the NNS race at Nashville. Is that proof positive that NASCAR’s faceless “racist” mentality is still alive and kicking? No. It’s simply proof positive that racing still manages to boil competitors’ blood.

And who can blame Berry for being heated? He only had to watch a car that he built and that was running in the top 15 all but destroyed late in the race because Davis made perhaps what I feel is the most boneheaded move the Nationwide Series has seen since Kevin Lepage blended into oncoming traffic at Talladega last April. Livid to see a good finish and car go up in smoke because of an embarrassing rookie mistake, Berry did what so many before him have done: he confronted Davis after the race to give him a piece of his mind.

From what witnesses of the incident have said, Berry’s comments towards Davis escalated as he ranted … because Davis said nothing to provoke and/or attempt to stop it in response. That may demonstrate composure on the youngster’s part, but it also means something else… that he didn’t own up to his and his team’s mistake that cost the No. 62 a solid finish. The fact that Berry culminated his rant with an alleged racial slur is certainly not behavior to be excused or condoned. However, it’s also very consistent with the seemingly-ignored possibility that Berry was just plain mad, and wanted to cut his fellow competitor down as harshly as he could.

All of this is again assuming that the alleged slur was uttered. But no one in the Rusty Wallace, Inc. camp — be it Berry, Gaughan, or any member of the No. 62 team — have conceded that such a foul term was even directed towards Davis. In fact, according to ESPN, the two sources that NASCAR based their decision to suspend Berry on were representatives of Marc Davis’ sponsor.

Really? Because a driver’s sponsor reps hear a derogatory word directed towards their driver, that’s become enough grounds for suspension? That’s enough evidence to throw innocent until proven guilty out the window?

Racism is clearly a hot-button topic when it comes to NASCAR, a sanctioning body that despite its admirable efforts has been unable to shake the stereotype it enjoys of being a racist, redneck haven. But regardless of the substance of Berry’s remarks towards Davis, be it racist or just profane, the fact remains that NASCAR has essentially, on the word of two non-official personnel, suspended a competitor indefinitely because they got emotional about seeing their race car needlessly wrecked.

The accounts of what happened are murky at best, and that points to the conclusion that NASCAR, as soon as the mere suggestion of racism popped up, acted quickly and decisively. And hastily. Suspending a competitor indefinitely is a huge blow both to the competitor and to their respective team, and not a penalty to be taken lightly. Yet that’s what NASCAR did in this situation… they took it lightly, letting the possibility of racial undertones prevent pertinent questions and issues from being considered.

Let’s not forget, again, that those alleging this happened are far from biased… they’re members of Marc Davis’ team.

Marc’s father, Harry Davis, has adamantly told ESPN that “it’s never been about race.” But I beg to differ. An incident at Hickory Motor Speedway in 2006 that saw his son racially heckled and booed by the crowd has been heavily debated. To quote a fellow Frontstretch writer I spoke with who was there, it was “certainly nothing NEAR what the Davises publicized happened.”

Since crew chief Bryan Berry’s suspension, driver Brendan Gaughan has been widely outspoken about the incident between himself, his crew, and Marc Davis. But in this case, should NASCAR be the one doing the talking?

And let’s not forget, that while the Davises have publicly appeared to be riding the high horse and to want no part of the controversy surrounding this alleged incident, Harry Davis still called Rusty Wallace personally… because no one from RWI had apologized. And during that call, Davis had the nerve to apologize on behalf of Wallace’s driver, Brendan Gaughan, for his “inappropriate” remarks that his alma mater, Georgetown University, was superior to that of Davis’ at Howard University.

I’ll be perfectly blunt here: The fact that Harry Davis can sit there and conclude that Gaughan’s remarks regarding Georgetown and Howard are wrong tells me one thing… some of “it” certainly is about race. And if Gaughan’s remarks constitute racism, I myself must be a racist because I booed the North Carolina A&T football team when they came to Winston-Salem in 2004 and played my alma mater, Wake Forest. I mean, I was celebrating the superiority of my university’s team and what they stood for. And since I’m white and Wake beat a historically black college 42-3, I must have been implying something racist in cheering and booing accordingly.

Does all of this conclusively prove anything about the Davises, or about anything? No. But what it does do is raise some considerable doubt about just how objective the sources that led to Berry’s suspension, and the team they affiliated with, really are. And that considerable doubt means conclusively that NASCAR should not have levied any sort of penalty on Bryan Berry.

Rusty Wallace was quoted as saying “I don’t know who to believe” when asked about the contradicting accounts of what transpired that emerged from Davis’ camp and Bryan Berry. I don’t either, because I haven’t trusted NASCAR for years. And knowing what I know about the Davis camp, I don’t trust them either.

What I do trust is my perception regarding this incident, and it tells me that the truth of what actually happened in the Music City garage is opaque at best. There has been no admission by Bryan Berry or any member of the No. 62 team that the alleged slur was used. No NASCAR personnel heard the alleged slur. And the two who supposedly did can’t help but have their objectivity questioned… not because of anything racial, but because they are supporting a driver who was justly chastised for doing something stupid and destructive on the track.

NASCAR certainly needs not be silent when they levy suspensions. But in cases like these, where they clearly levied a suspension first and are not even asking questions later, silence is exactly what NASCAR needs.

The Cacophony Of Silence: NASCAR’s Missing Tell-All Policy
S.D. Grady

When NASCAR announced the indefinite suspension of Nationwide crew chief Bryan Berry last Thursday, that’s all it did. Yes, there was the usual line and paragraph regarding which rule of the NASCAR golden book he violated — the all encompassing Section 12-1, actions detrimental to stock car racing — but, there was nothing else.

Now, when indefinite suspensions are announced, there are usually accompanying points deductions, huge fines, and some explanation of which car part the crew chief got creative with … but not this time. Where the press release would normally continue with dates and details of the violation, I read nothing. Instead, my curiosity got pricked.

After some research, I was able to determine Mr. Berry used a racial slur in the garage area in reference to Marc Davis after Davis’ car was hit by Berry’s No. 62, driven by Brendan Gaughan, during the Nashville Nationwide Series race.

Again, I hit the blank wall of NASCAR placing a gag order on “the incident.”

Now, not only had my undying need to know all been circumvented, but worse yet, my imagination was left to run amok in the dark recesses of racial tension in America.

In fact, nobody directly involved in the unfortunate moment has chosen to repeat the offending phrases, nor has the accused decided to make a formal statement denying his alleged utterance.

It’s like it didn’t happen.

Oh, but didn’t you know? NASCAR doesn’t have a racism problem — it just randomly suspends individuals for getting into fights with other teams. Right …

Now, I don’t believe any of us would benefit by knowing the exact derogatory words used in this case. However, I do believe that by burying the hot-button topic of race in the stack of weekly press releases followed by silence, NASCAR is in danger of promoting the stereotypical reputation the sport has been trying to shed for almost 20 years.

Instead of having details and facts to debate, support, and decry, the fans — those of us who buy the tickets, watch the broadcasts, and wear the T-shirts — are left to defend this “redneck nation” with no ammunition. It’s hard to say that the vast majority of the fan base despises the use of racial slurs when the sanctioning body fails to state what it was actually penalizing the offender for in the first place.

I’m not saying Bryan Berry needs to be put in the stocks for all of NASCAR Nation to beat on, but I do want to know that steps are being taken to address this “non-existent” issue.

Berry’s owner, Rusty Wallace, made statements that he didn’t believe Berry actually said anything and that Berry has denied using those words (although he didn’t deny he uttered some swears). Marc Davis has refused to enter the fray, offering no comment to the press while Davis’ father has been on the phone to Wallace, politely trying to smooth over the gaff. And lastly, the members of the No. 62 team have shown sorrow that Berry isn’t allowed at the track.

Well, isn’t that nice? And some of it hardly believable.

I keep asking myself: Where is the anger? Perhaps it was lost in the black void of the amount of airtime the bigger issue has received over the past year.

This is not the first time NASCAR and its self-approved media outlets have chosen to look the other direction when the ugly head of racism arose this past year. Does anybody remember Mauricia Grant, the inspector who filed a discrimination lawsuit against NASCAR? Better yet, do they recall the result of that litigation? That’s right; the issue was settled confidentially out of court. Just like magic, the nasty thoughts the courtroom drama nearly conjured vanished in the mist of NASCAR no-no’s.

NASCAR is jumping into a deep, dark hole if it thinks it can shed an old, ingrained perception of the sport by simply ignoring problems when they arise.

This sport boasts one of the most outspoken and loyal fan bases. I know many of them to be intelligent and shrewd individuals. But we are human. It’s in our nature to create possible scenarios to unseen sets of events.

Perhaps NASCAR responded to the possibility that a forbidden word leapt from someone’s tongue in the heat of the moment … would that have been the truth, I could believe it. However, in my cynical world that is inhabited by the rest of humanity in all its insensitive glory, I find it much more likely that something so egregious occurred that no option was left but to take action.

Hence, I am left with the uncomfortable feeling that my sport is adjudicated by officials who won’t admit to a problem until it’s oozing over the tops of their boots.

Maybe this was just a mud puddle. However, since nobody showed it to me, I have a suspicion NASCAR is trying to scrape an unending supply of shit from the bottom of its shoe and shove it back in a closet.

Show me all of it! The good, the bad, and the very ugly. Only then, will my faith in NASCAR’s integrity be unshakable.

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Douglas
06/17/2009 08:56 AM
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Classic case of “damned if you do! Damned if you don’t”, referring to NA$CRAP suspending a crew chief for “racial slurs” or whatever.

NA$CRAP would have been better served if they simply got the parties together to resolve, if possible, this issue BEFORE taking their now well known HIGH-HANDED attitude in suspending people, (this theory would also have worked in Mayfields case, and Long’s case, and many others. NA$CRAP seems to ALWAYS make moutains out of molehills!

If NA$CRAP “EVER” took the low road, their credibility I think would begin to re-bound!

But that is wishfull thinking, right?

Mike In NH
06/17/2009 09:36 AM
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NASCAR is screwed either way – you be public and make a lot of announcements about the incident, and you’re reinforcing the NASCAR stereotype of racism. You bury it, you’re accused of conspiracy, and you look like you’re covering a racism issue. Screwed either way.

As for “heat of the moment”, well, you can say a lot of things in the heat of the moment, but your brain is still attached to your body, and the words you choose to use on someone reflect your opinions, attitudes, and prejudices. “Heat of the moment” is no excuse to use racial slurs. Really, there is no excuse. Heck, I’ve had full blown shout-out arguments with a couple of African Americans, and I’ve never used a racial slur (just about everything else that could precipate a fight, but not those).

Did it happen? Well, knowing that you’d be subjected to fines, suspension, and termination, not to mention being publicly branded a racist in the press for all the world to see, would YOU admit you said it? We’d all like to think that the public and NASCAR can accept an apology and move on, but that’s not reality.

On the other hand, no, I don’t believe the sponsors were unbiased sources – but they’ve been at other NASCAR races with Marc, and never has this issue come up before. Why wait until now? Because you’re basically saying they pulled out the race card to get their driver out of trouble and to keep him from having to own up to an apology. I’m not sure I buy that. Having met Marc, he seems like the kind of driver that just wants to be treated like other drivers. I’m betting he would prefer all this would go away so he can move on and race. I wonder a bit if some of the folks surrounding him are more of a hindrance than a help in his career.

As for NASCAR’s “admirable” diversity efforts – two African American drivers to crack the upper three series in the last 20 years isn’t admirable. It’s pathetic.

Mike In NH
06/17/2009 09:44 AM
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Re-reading my comments, let me clarify some things. First, is it NASCAR’s responsibility to investigate these incidents? Yes, absolutely. These incidents reflect on the sport. Did they act in haste? Yes. I understand not wanting to look like you’re ignoring the issue, but taking a good look first before issuing suspensions and getting a clear picture is a good idea regardless of the infraction (this isn’t the first issue they’ve jumped too fast on). And what do I think about the Georgetown-Howard thing? That’s just stupidity all around, Harry Davis should just follow his son’s lead and keep his head down and move on, especially once the suspension was announced.

I also think NASCAR was stuck in a position where if they did nothing, those sponsor people would have turned around to the press and whoever and started squawking about how NASCAR was racist, so NASCAR HAD to do something, fairly quick, to keep the whole thing from escalating to ridiculously stupid levels.

Finally, I don’t think there’s levels of badness when it comes to racism – it’s all bad. So you can’t really say that it’s okay if it only reaches a certain level.

Carl D.
06/17/2009 09:54 AM
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S.D. Grady’s position is another case of a Frontstretch staff member complaining that the media deserves to get every little crumb of dirt from NASCAR when it deals with a personal issue.

As I have commented on several recent Frontstretch columns that dealt with Jeremy Mayfield’s suspension, the media is not entitled to every detail when NASCAR hands out punishment for personal issues that have nothing to do with actual competition. Not only is it not in the best interest of NASCAR to do so, it’s not in the best interest of the person involved, nor is it any of the public’s business. What drug showed up in a driver’s failed drug test, and what racial slur was uttered by a crew chief that is being suspended is between NASCAR and the person involved and their representatives.

Grady’s comment that “not only had my undying need to know all been circumvented, but worse yet, my imagination was left to run amok in the dark recesses of racial tension in America” was not only asinine and sensational, it completely supports my contention that some members of the sports media seem to have done their internship at the National Enquirer.

I’ll be the first in line to call NASCAR out on its lousy racing, its sorry Sprint cars, its total lack of respect its longtime fan base, and even its inconsistency when enforcing the rules, whatever they may be this week. However, I firmly believe that personal matters should be dealt with in private. Grady, that’s Business Ethics 101.

yankeegranny
06/17/2009 11:26 AM
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If the only ones who heard the remark were reps of the sponsor, I would have to say they were “biased.” NASCAR really dropped the ball on this one. I would have to call their whole reaction pandering. There is a simple solution to the whole thing; have the 3 involved take a lie detector test. Publish the results and then make a decision. The one I feel sorry for is Marc Davis. NASCAR has just put a bulls-eye on his back, I can’t imagine the reception he is going to get at the tracks from the fans; I doubt much of it will be positive. And if the crew-chief takes a lie detector test and passes it and the reps don’t imagine the lawsuits coming out of that incident.

Mary
06/17/2009 12:10 PM
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Someone help me out here. What did Marc do wrong? He turned left to go into the garage area. He didn’t cut through Brendan’s pit box. Brendan plowed into Marc because he ASSUMED he wasn’t going to turn. Gee, what’s that old saying about the word “assume”?

Douglas
06/17/2009 12:38 PM
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Hey Carl D, well stated, “I’ll be the first in line to call NASCAR out on its lousy racing, its sorry Sprint cars, its total lack of respect its longtime fan base, and even its inconsistency when enforcing the rules, whatever they may be this week. However, I firmly believe that personal matters should be dealt with in private. Grady, that’s Business Ethics 101”.

And your Business Ethics 101 is kinda what I was saying earlier, why does NA$CRAP make HUGE & PUBLIC issues out of things that could be better solved behind closed doors? If, and only IF, these things cannnot be ironed out behind closed doors, then they have the right to go public.

I think, no, I take that back, I KNOW! NA$CRAP
just isues press releases without regard as to the size of the problem.

Example: “Racial slurs”!

Take the parties into the infamous “hauler”, discuss what went on, get each sides viewpoint, if both sides, or either side at that point, cannot agree on an action, then, and only then, should NA$CRAP elevate it to another level!

A “slip-of-the-tongue” should not be front page headlines!

(ok, ok, for general info, I am white, my wife is black, I know the language used, both ways, is it really harmfull? or a method of expressing ones self”? I dunno, I do know it happens all the time)

KT
06/17/2009 12:45 PM
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Nascar acted in haste….
Cars get into each other aall the time and then the crew chiefs and drivers go at each other…In this case they just happened to be black and white..If the individuals cannot express their opinions openly, especially at a time when they are mad…in effect ..that’s hindering freedom of speech. Teams get mad at each other all the time…Time to lighten up..Enough of trying to be politically correct all the time…..

Wayne
06/17/2009 01:22 PM
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Why all the fuss anyway? If an offical of NA$CAR didn’t hear the supposied slur then it is not an issue. And why on second hand information suspend for an undetermined amount of time? Are we going to have NA$CAR suspend drivers and crews because someone called another one the ole’ S.O.B,or other words we all know in the heat of action?

Doug Scholl
06/17/2009 01:51 PM
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Probably the best side by side I’ve read all year. We’ve been discussing the story in the forums for a week now. For even more opinions on this check out the FS forums.

Kevin in SoCal
06/17/2009 02:42 PM
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“remarks that his alma mater, Georgetown University, was superior to that of Davis’ at Howard University.

We were told on the TV broadcast that Davis did not go to Howard University, he is simply sponsered by the radio station there.

“I was able to determine Mr. Berry used a racial slur in the garage area in reference to Marc Davis”

You mean ALLEGEDLY used a racial slur, right? Or were you there and you heard what he said?

Casey B
06/17/2009 02:53 PM
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Wayne, NASCAR acted on second hand info because the action that allegedly took place is absolutely ridiculous if it did actually happen. This is 2009 and there is no reason why something like that should go on in a professional sports setting. You are really comparing calling someone an SOB to a racial slur? Might rethink that one…

Wayne
06/17/2009 03:04 PM
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Well Casey B I see what you are saying to a point-but have you listened to hip-hop or rap as to the use of racial slurs? Second hand has always not been allowed in the courts and the base for lots of slander suits be whatever.sports, life, etc.NA$CAR as always jumped the gun with a knee-jerk reaction.

Ryan
06/17/2009 04:00 PM
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There is no room in this world for racial slurs . PERIOD. And because someone is mad is also no excuse for anything .

The crew chief was suspended for the same reason police officers are suspended after anything questionable happens . Gives everyone a chance to investigate but doesn’t leave the impression that nothing is being done or no one cares .

Gaughan is a hot head , he’s burned through a lot of rides over the years . I had to laugh over his “ don’t let him leave the track until i talk to him “ order . What a blowhard ! Like anybody in the garage area would give a second thought to Brenden Gaughan looking for them .

Davis did nothing wrong , Gaughan crashed into him , Gaughan overreacted to an accident he caused , end of story .

But under no circumstances should a racial slur be lumped in with swear words or excused as someone losing their temper .

If the crew chief did in fact not say what is alleged he said , or if it can’t be proven , then he should be allowed back on the job and the issue forgotten about for the sake of Berry and Davis .

Gordon82Wins
06/17/2009 05:54 PM
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I pulled up next to a white guy listening to hip-hop in his car the other day and heard the N-word more times in the 20 seconds I was next to him than at all the races I’ve been to combined.

moprint
06/17/2009 06:35 PM
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If the only 2 people heard were sponsor reps for Marc, then it is all here say. NA$CRAP jump the gun. I am sure Marc wants this is to go away. Now everybody is gonna be afraid to even to talk to him ,because all his sponsor reps just have to say they dropped the n-bomb then see ya you are suspended for life. The Hickory deal was not what Marcs dad made it out to be either. They keep saying it is not about race, but they keep bringing it up?? Things that make you think though.

Ed
06/17/2009 08:37 PM
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I don’t think there is enough information to make an informed comment. If there was a racial slur and a complaint was made, then NASCAR should take some action. Indefinite suspension under normal circumstances would mean something really nasty and threatening. In the case of NASCAR, who knows?

mkrcr
06/17/2009 10:29 PM
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“because Davis made perhaps what I feel is the most boneheaded move the Nationwide Series has seen since Kevin Lepage blended into oncoming traffic at Talladega last April.”
Seems to me there are a lot more people at fault here than Davis. Gaughan, along with his crew chief, had Cranial/ Rectal Inversion. Gaughan was clearly not aware of his surroundings and was not warned during his entrance to the pits. Perhaps NA$CAR needs to mandate turn signals to help out less capable drivers avoid such “unfortunate” situations.
The only Black/ Brown involved here came from said Inversion.

Casey B
06/18/2009 11:24 AM
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Yes Wayne I have heard plenty of hip hop music using such words that this crew chief allegedly used that got him suspended. The big difference between that is that one person is black and one is white, doesn’t make it right either way, I’m just noting that this is a very big difference. And in a sport that has been labeled as a “redneck haven” or what have you, an action like this turns into a very big problem, whether it happened or not. Hopefully facts will turn up and then NASCAR can make a ruling to either fix or keep the suspension that they already issued.

Casey B
06/18/2009 11:32 AM
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And when you say second hand is always not allowed in the courts, what are you talking about? Like as in a second hand account as a witness? Thats usually what testimony is based off of, now you got me real confused.

Wayne Morgan
06/18/2009 07:18 PM
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What I mean by second hand in the courts being he said-she said with no further witnesses coming forward as in this instance, the sponsor “reps” say they heard it but no one else has come forward and daid they did. So like in court the defense would go after the creadibilty of the ones that made the claim. And that one is white and one is black is my whole point-they can use the slur but no onelse can without racism called for that’s all.

jlee
06/19/2009 10:41 PM
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Bryan Davis Keith-

Your bias is overwhelming & although you’re entitled to it, you could at least try to present your article with some actual FACTS. 1st off, it’s my understanding that Nascar didn’t just go by Davis’ sponsors, but that some Nascar officials had actually heard the slur as well.

I’m glad your boy Berry got suspended & he deserves to be fired. Actually, you can calm down because Helton plans to bring him back ASAP. As far as I’m concerned, Berry said what he’s been accused of saying. It’s interesting that you make Berry out to the victim. FYI, rookies make boneheaded moves & I’m not totally convinced the crash was all Davis’ fault. Sure Gaughan & Berry had a right to be angry, it’s just that they should have kept the slurs & offensive rants out of it. If they would have, then we wouldn’t be talking about this now.
You put all the blame on the Davises. How typical of you.

To further show how biased you are & you really don’t know what you’re talking about, you can’t put it all on Marc’s dad about the Georgetown/Howard thing. I emailed Gaughan myself after seeing his tirade because I was offended by it. To me, it was tinged w/racism, & I don’t need you, a white male, to tell me what is & what is not racist. I was offended & let Gaughan, RWR/RWI, & Nascar know it. Looks like they got the memo.

Your train of thought & some of these post is exactly what’s wrong w/Nascar. Once again, Berry needs to be fired & Marc has nothing to be ashamed of.

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